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Tariffs start Tuesday. Here is response that should be taken. (lemmy.ca)
submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by humanspiral@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca
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with bonus threat of increasing tariffs if any retaliation...

Charge US $30B per month for NORAD access. If Russia can strike Permean basin with nuclear ICBM then that can help their negotiations with ending war on Ukraine. Fund UBI based on NORAD fee.

Eliminate tariffs on China. Sanctions on Russia. US industry that says it will make long term expansion investments in US to cut off Canadian supplies, gets immediate China contracts in response. Or make comensurate "lease fee" for NORAD higher.

Fentanyl and immigration is complete BS. This is a declaration of war based on manufacturing a false "national emergency" pretext. Any response that doesn't treat it as a war declaration by US is pathethic weakness and politician/Canadian treason to their CIA masters.

Make the US beg to treat Canada much better than it was treated before these tariff declarations. USA collapse is necessary for Canada to prevail. Not begging to let Trump declare you a sufficient sycophantic bitch, which won't happen.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the cities are and the rural areas are not

Same for all of US. Proper secession would involve cities independently deciding, and then their surrounding rural areas deciding after. State "dictatorship"/electoral corruption is not any better than Federal corruption. There can never be freedom if divorce is forbidden.

The biggest risk besides outright hot war would be foreign interference outside of Canada and the US.

Foreign interference in Canada is exclusively US and Israel, with "scandals over foreign interference" without much evidence against countries that could force US/Israel to pay more to fix elections. Russian interference in US/Canada is often accused, but it is to foster divisiveness, to the glee of right wing parties seizing on the hatred manufactured, and repeating all of it. There is no "Buy Russian stuff and love Russia party", and the foreign interference bs can very well be right wing parties contracting cheap eastern european labour.

Canadians are formidable fighters in their own right. But a hot war should be avoided at all costs, it would be brutal. Many millions would die, if not in outright war in disease and starvation.

How tough Canadians are on a 5 on 5 hockey rink doesn't matter. Canada would need to have/ally nuclear strikes on US. A single one would collapse US economy. Without that willingness, or without absorbing individual states, then Canada might as well surrender now.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

*most of the US. My state (vermont), not so much. Trump support is fairly low across the board.

Re foreign interference, you are referring to now. and you’re not wrong! But I’m referring to a future where a hot war happens. Who will intervene? Who will take advantage of the situation? We have no idea and I don’t even think it’s possible to speculate. America has so many enemies (for good reason) the list could be endless. As for Canada, you’re full of natural resources, who knows who might find that appealing while you’re in a war with the US. All hell breaks loose. I’m a strategy person, I like thinking these things through, the crazy what ifs. I can’t even imagine what will happen if it gets to that point.

As for canadas fighting abilities, give yourselves some credit. Not just hockey, y’all kicked so much ass in WW1 we needed to have the Geneva convention. Most Americans think they’re so exceptional that no one can beat them. But the truth is we haven’t won a war since ww2 despite spending all of our money on war. Should it come to it I believe Canada would give america a run for it’s money.

I hope it doesn’t come to it. I wish more Luigi’s would spring up and take the technofascists and their puppets in government out. But I don’t have high hopes and I believe the future is looking extremely bleak.

And that’s ignoring climate change. Add that in, permafrost melting and another pandemic springing up out of it, we’re so fucked. The global elites know and they have no country. The world is theirs for the taking and that’s exactly what they’re doing.