I propose we temporarily adopt the "trade war" flag
this post was submitted on 01 Feb 2025
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American here. If you want to hurt us, shut off our power. You supply oil, natural gas, and hydroelectric to multiple states including my own. If you shut off Vermonts hydroelectric via hydro Quebec during winter we’d be completely fucked. I’m kinda hoping you do so we have a reason to secede and potentially join you as a province if you’d allow it. Fuck America.
American here, you guys have a huge number here on your side. We need another 1814 in a really bad way.
I prefer "double" export tariffs to shutoffs. Electricity 50%, and oil 20%. split between federal and provinces. Stuff like OJ and Bourbon, 50%+ tariffs instead of blocking imports.
Absolutely, soliciting US states to join confederation as a province is something that should be open, official policy, now. You/we can "dress it up" as US constitutional convention (normally 75% of states call for, but 10 provinces too) for exploration of 10 new states joining, or dividing "the union" into Canada and US.
I’m not sure I’m following you on the constitutional convention. Do Canadians have their own version of that? In America it will never happen, we wouldn’t be able to get whatever the legal majority (2/3?) is to do anything. I’m kind of hoping that most Americans are so dumb they don’t even know we’re a state, and we’re so small and economically unimportant that if we left they wouldn’t even notice.
I’ve legit been on the phone with some customer service rep from some other part of the country and they asked me if vermont was a country and where in the world it is. I mean we were… before we became the 14th state.
Constitutional convention is a tough ask that requires 2/3 of both congressional houses to question their rule even if the states they represent would want one. But state secession movements "dressing up" their desires into a request for one, has no good reasons to object to one, especially if default is that 75% of states must agree to changes.
I think we should do it at the state level - democratic vote - and then if the response is leave we just stop paying the feds taxes and kick them off our land. What are they gonna do, invade us for our maple syrup? We invented guerrilla warfare and were heavily armed and know the mountains better than y’all queda does. And we’re accustomed to winter. The southerners wouldn’t stand a chance.
I think we should do it at the state level - democratic vote - and then if the response is leave we just stop paying the feds taxes and kick them off our land.
Yes. This approach is good. "Pay your federal taxes to our state instead, and we will negotiate appropriate relationship/independence from Trump/federal government." California facing extortion over federal relief on forest/city fires, is reason for them to never pay federal taxes again, to support Florida unconditionally year after year, never mind, red state tax parasitism in general.
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Do we have to hurt socialist Vermont of all things? 🥹
It’s not that I want you to hurt us, it’s that I want you to accelerate our secession from the failed disunited states. I want nothing to do with our fascist federal government.
Canada also needs to spin up a full on poaching program and asylum program.
Any US citizen with a fairly clean criminal record (with anything legal in Canada ignored, IE possession of weed would be ignored as that's legal here) ca apply for immediate Canadian citizenship as long as they renounce America
Priority given to anyone with any form of valuable skills, degrees, tickets, certificates, etc
If you can build houses, you get in and can start work ASAP.
We need to simply poach the US's valuable workforce at a time like this, which instantly will drag down their overall economy.
All your best scientists? Teachers? Engineers? Developers? Architects? Plumbers? Electricians? Doctors, nurses, surgeons? You name it, we should poach it right now on a fast track, watch as the US suddenly watches huge swaths of its work force evaporate.
Follow up with just cutting off trade with the US for as long as it takes. Completely sever their energy, oil, food, lumber, etc supply.
The entire north will quickly dry up as suddenly food skyrockets in price.
Finally end respecting of US patents and trademarks. Start quickly making our own versions of drugs patented in the US, but way cheaper.
Want our cheap drugs and better medical systems? Our poaching asylum system is ready for you.
Honestly, if we can un-fuck housing then this is a great idea. Problem is I really don't believe we can un-fuck housing at this point.
Take meeeeee. I have some carpentry experience.
I'd take that deal.
That's an evil idea - I love it. (As an American)
Visited Nova Scotia for work several years ago. I'd go back in a heartbeat! Sign me up, and it'd get me out of Alabama.
The turd thinks the US are needed by everyone, but the truth is the world can and will live without them. What he's not asking himself (because he's afraid of the answer or simply too stupid to realize) is if the US can live without the world. And the answer is no. But he'll get there in due time.
With a US war declaration, Canada needs to join rest of world aggressively. Eliminating US empire dictated sanctions. NORAD is essential to US global extortion. The only withdrawal to US's declaration of war comes with just "flirting" with US national security diminishment, and freedom from colonization.
Outcompete Mexico on Fentanyl, with a mission to cut Heroin with it for purposes of killing US addicts as a Canadian government program is a better response to end the war than appeasement. No visas for Iran IRGC soldiers while tariffs apply.
Outcompete Mexico on Fentanyl, with a mission to cut Heroin with it for purposes of killing US addicts as a Canadian government program is a better response to end the war than appeasement.
That’s fucked up and won’t move the needle at all, you’re just doing the fascists work for them. They’d probably like it if you would kill off our drug addicts.
The lowest of American society didn’t vote for this… they likely didn’t vote at all. Aim at the top. Shut off the ability of rich Americans to enter your country. No more ski vacations. Seize American owned properties and redistribute to your own people (with the option for Americans to renounce citizenship and gain Canadian and keep their property).
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American Exceptionalism makes it hard for a lot of Americans to have an "are we the baddies" moment.
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If big 3 auto does the slightest signal to support Trump, nationalize with zero compensation any Canadian assets.
why don't we apply for eu membership? /s(?). US is too erratic, why not reach out for other partnerships?
- The EU wouldn't take us.
- Western Canada would see joining the EU as a bad deal. Alberta especially would be very opposed to it.
The EU wouldn't take us.
I'd actually love to have Canada in the EU. Not sure if the rules would allow it and there would definitely be issues around standards but I feel like most Europeans would be me more than open to the notion.
I propose: you trade Alberta to the US and receive New England and the Pacific Northwest?
I'm in Alberta, so no :(
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Why not ban American imports, ban American passports, close American embassies, order American businesses and schools to leave the country?
I think the shutdown of auto and aerospace manufacturing will do enough damage on both sides.
Relationships between the us and Canada are forever tainted thanks to the orange douche bag. I think it's time to do a few things
Invalidate NAFTA 2.0 and negotiate solely with Mexico when it comes up for renewal.
Also Look at existing agreements with the us and consider them null and void or at the very least about to spoil. Defence agreements technically fall here so let's prep for the us turning Thier backs on us.
Revert copyright laws to more sane say 10 years plus a 5 year extension if warranted and justification is more than more moneies please. Make this retroactive to all works in all mediums in all fields.
Consider poaching talent from the US offer good apples a way out and use the talent to making a greener economy. Let's not rush to the bottom here let's make Canada better stronger and more resilient to energy price swings.
Invest in projects that improve our resilience to market forces. Let's try some ideas out vertical farms solar on new builds micro nuclear reactors lets give the lot a go and see what sticks.
Strengthen our electoral process maybe make a stab at something other than first pass the post. make it so the gop playbook doesn't work here.
Invalidate NAFTA 2.0 and negotiate solely with Mexico when it comes up for renewal.
Get immediate Mexican substitutes for produce/food. Get US to clarify that Mexico-Canada trade by land is tariff free. Otherwise, get China and other help in increasing ships available. Definitely allow transshipping from China into US to ensure high volume of ships headed to Canada/Mexico. Put a small export tax on these, to fund relief for Canadians. Send GPUs to China/tier 3 list at markup. Yes, NAFTA 2 is invalid until the false pretense "national emergency" for US to invalidate NAFTA is removed.
Consider poaching talent from the US offer good apples a way out and use the talent to making a greener economy
I don't like your other "permanent" solutions, but aggressively inviting entire US states to join Canada should be policy. Future sustainable world needs UBI as "restrained political structure" that distributes power from politicians to people. This also makes Canada more resilient to "invasion" in that the new ruler needs to keep the "populist support programs". A high carbon tax is part of UBI funding. UBI funding can be spllit between Fed, Province, cities.
This is a war declared by US rulers. Your measures would hurt individual Americans specifically.
Yeah, but at some point you have to hold the voters to accord? They wanted this. They voted for this. He literally told them he would do this. And then he won the popular vote.
Like it or not, the only way I see getting out of this mess is mass suffering of the US population. I can't see any other way to have the cult fall apart. Though it make just strengthen it too.
Yeah, but at some point you have to hold the voters to accord? They wanted this. They voted for this. He literally told them he would do this. And then he won the popular vote.
"Solve the fentanyl and immigration "crisis"" was a Mexico thing. "There is nothing Canada can do, and we must extort them through economic warfare to force them to become 51st state" was bs after election.
Like it or not, the only way I see getting out of this mess is mass suffering of the US population.
"This is an act of war, and national emergency is bs pretext for act of war, means that Canada must end military cooperation with US, or demand high fees for cooperation on NORAD and 5 eyes. Canada will stop viewing US/Israel enemies/adversaries as its own."
National population opinion is what media says is opinion. Politicians needing Canada to be a colony, NORAD, US weapons customer, never mind actually providing the radar forewarning of Russian iCBM strikes, that deters Russia from winning war in Ukraine in a day, while simultaneously collapsing US economy through strike on Permean oil basin, is the leverage Canada needs at political level of US, which is all that matters. Failure to threaten US with neutrality, is failure to impress inconveniences to US evil warmongering on Canada vs "colonial status it used to enjoy".
Don't worry, things will probably get pretty bad without needing to do all this.
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How does trumb have this power? Taxes should start in congress
Creating a fake "national emergency" means dictatorial powers. This is a declaration of war because the national emergency is false, and a pretext for war and extortion.
There is a need to suspend our "military alliance"/subservience while these tariffs apply.
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Today's the day when almost everything @humanspiral wrote in a post made sense without seeming like a complete foreign agent. 😂
Today is the day where "US empire values" makes you rethink your unwitting foreign agent role. :P
Damn that hurt. I'm not even sarcastic.
He's right though, as an American, every one of our former allies needs to be on red alert. A madman is at the helm with the intent to destroy everything.
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Charging access to NORAD seems impractical. I think at that point they'd just annex, and there isn't much we could do about it.
Totally think eliminating Chinese tariffs makes sense, and we should just do that.
I'm also pretty convinced we shouldn't retaliate with tariffs -- I think those would just hurt Canadian's.
I do like the don't buy red state exports, but I may just be being vindictive.
Charging access to NORAD seems impractical. I think at that point they’d just annex, and there isn’t much we could do about it.
US military annexation by driving tanks into Ottawa has only counter to bribe a nuclear power to do sufficient damage to destroy US economy/debt sustainability. Playing nice, begging to restore colonial status, is capitulation in of itself. Just waiting for fatigue to accept extortionist demands on sovereignty.
Totally think eliminating Chinese tariffs makes sense, and we should just do that.
I keep hearing we import a lot of furniture from US. China makes furniture. If big 3 auto companies stand with Canada, keep Chinese EV tariffs, but drop solar and battery ones. Cheap batteries would make Canadian EVs competitive even as exports to US with tariffs.
I’m also pretty convinced we shouldn’t retaliate with tariffs – I think those would just hurt Canadian’s.
I like export tariffs the most. Raises revenue without raising prices for Canadians. Tariffs on "useless" US goods can be high, pay a bit more for Mexico/South American agricultural import shipping. Opening up China import competition is cost reduction for Canadians. Plenty of Canadian substitutes in processed food and alcohol.
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