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with bonus threat of increasing tariffs if any retaliation...

Charge US $30B per month for NORAD access. If Russia can strike Permean basin with nuclear ICBM then that can help their negotiations with ending war on Ukraine. Fund UBI based on NORAD fee.

Eliminate tariffs on China. Sanctions on Russia. US industry that says it will make long term expansion investments in US to cut off Canadian supplies, gets immediate China contracts in response. Or make comensurate "lease fee" for NORAD higher.

Fentanyl and immigration is complete BS. This is a declaration of war based on manufacturing a false "national emergency" pretext. Any response that doesn't treat it as a war declaration by US is pathethic weakness and politician/Canadian treason to their CIA masters.

Make the US beg to treat Canada much better than it was treated before these tariff declarations. USA collapse is necessary for Canada to prevail. Not begging to let Trump declare you a sufficient sycophantic bitch, which won't happen.

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[–] ravshaul@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why not ban American imports, ban American passports, close American embassies, order American businesses and schools to leave the country?

[–] chuck@lemmy.ca 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I think the shutdown of auto and aerospace manufacturing will do enough damage on both sides.

Relationships between the us and Canada are forever tainted thanks to the orange douche bag. I think it's time to do a few things

Invalidate NAFTA 2.0 and negotiate solely with Mexico when it comes up for renewal.

Also Look at existing agreements with the us and consider them null and void or at the very least about to spoil. Defence agreements technically fall here so let's prep for the us turning Thier backs on us.

Revert copyright laws to more sane say 10 years plus a 5 year extension if warranted and justification is more than more moneies please. Make this retroactive to all works in all mediums in all fields.

Consider poaching talent from the US offer good apples a way out and use the talent to making a greener economy. Let's not rush to the bottom here let's make Canada better stronger and more resilient to energy price swings.

Invest in projects that improve our resilience to market forces. Let's try some ideas out vertical farms solar on new builds micro nuclear reactors lets give the lot a go and see what sticks.

Strengthen our electoral process maybe make a stab at something other than first pass the post. make it so the gop playbook doesn't work here.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 21 hours ago

Invalidate NAFTA 2.0 and negotiate solely with Mexico when it comes up for renewal.

Get immediate Mexican substitutes for produce/food. Get US to clarify that Mexico-Canada trade by land is tariff free. Otherwise, get China and other help in increasing ships available. Definitely allow transshipping from China into US to ensure high volume of ships headed to Canada/Mexico. Put a small export tax on these, to fund relief for Canadians. Send GPUs to China/tier 3 list at markup. Yes, NAFTA 2 is invalid until the false pretense "national emergency" for US to invalidate NAFTA is removed.

Consider poaching talent from the US offer good apples a way out and use the talent to making a greener economy

I don't like your other "permanent" solutions, but aggressively inviting entire US states to join Canada should be policy. Future sustainable world needs UBI as "restrained political structure" that distributes power from politicians to people. This also makes Canada more resilient to "invasion" in that the new ruler needs to keep the "populist support programs". A high carbon tax is part of UBI funding. UBI funding can be spllit between Fed, Province, cities.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

This is a war declared by US rulers. Your measures would hurt individual Americans specifically.

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 0 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but at some point you have to hold the voters to accord? They wanted this. They voted for this. He literally told them he would do this. And then he won the popular vote.

Like it or not, the only way I see getting out of this mess is mass suffering of the US population. I can't see any other way to have the cult fall apart. Though it make just strengthen it too.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -1 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, but at some point you have to hold the voters to accord? They wanted this. They voted for this. He literally told them he would do this. And then he won the popular vote.

"Solve the fentanyl and immigration "crisis"" was a Mexico thing. "There is nothing Canada can do, and we must extort them through economic warfare to force them to become 51st state" was bs after election.

Like it or not, the only way I see getting out of this mess is mass suffering of the US population.

"This is an act of war, and national emergency is bs pretext for act of war, means that Canada must end military cooperation with US, or demand high fees for cooperation on NORAD and 5 eyes. Canada will stop viewing US/Israel enemies/adversaries as its own."

National population opinion is what media says is opinion. Politicians needing Canada to be a colony, NORAD, US weapons customer, never mind actually providing the radar forewarning of Russian iCBM strikes, that deters Russia from winning war in Ukraine in a day, while simultaneously collapsing US economy through strike on Permean oil basin, is the leverage Canada needs at political level of US, which is all that matters. Failure to threaten US with neutrality, is failure to impress inconveniences to US evil warmongering on Canada vs "colonial status it used to enjoy".

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago

Don't worry, things will probably get pretty bad without needing to do all this.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is no "too extreme" to open fascism and a known threat.