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Ottawa has started to make payments for key components for 14 additional U.S.-built F-35s, even as the Carney government has been reviewing future fighter-jet purchases in the context of trade tensions with Washington, sources have told CBC News.

The money for these 14 aircraft is in addition to the contract for a first order of 16 F-35s, which will start being delivered to the Canadian Armed Forces at the end of the year.

According to sources, the new expenses are related to the purchase of so-called “long-lead items,” which are parts that must be ordered well in advance of the delivery of a fully assembled aircraft.

Canada had to make these expenditures to maintain its place in the long-term delivery schedule and avoid being replaced by other buyers in the queue, sources said.

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

You know, I did actually try to head off this line of reasoning by pointing out that a) we have the entire technical package, and b) there are no extraneous communications going into or out of a stealth fighter, of any kind.

Like, buddy, I really did try to give you all the pieces. I was like "Do I need to spoon feed ALL the conclusions? No, they're a smart enough person, they'll figure it out."

No, that is not a remotely practical idea. First, no one is just accepting whatever random signals they get sent while flying a stealth fighter, or indeed any kind of fighter. Electronic warfare has been a thing for as long as integrated circuits have, we're not idiots.

But more importantly, any capability you put in firmware has to ultimately talk to the hardware. There has to be an actual lever to pull, somewhere. It's not magic. And firmware isn't like the software on your phone; it's not a general purpose computer. You can't just run an app. There's no kernel to allocate resources. Every single component on the F-35 has its own firmware, that runs that component, and the ability for those components to communicate with each other is strictly limited to what can actually be communicated at a hardware level. At some point any kind of "killswitch" would ultimately require hardware capabilities that would be obvious to anyone with the technical package, because those are exactly the kind of cascade failures that you would want to make impossible in the event that there was, say, an entirely normal, non-malicious bug in the firmware. You build these things to be failure proof, which makes it very hard to then sneak in ways to deliberately make them fail.

And I think the part that, above all else, you really, really need to wrap your head around is that we're not idiots. Canada is an extremely technically capable nation. We didn't buy this thing without experts reading the specs. And those same specs were read by experts from every other country in NATO, and none of them believe this kill switch myth is real.

So basically your theory stands on the assertion that you - John or Jane Internet User from Fucking Wherever - have, with zero access to any of the technical data, spotted a danger that all of the experts from every country in NATO missed, throughout the entire thirty plus years of the F-35 program, through around five different US administrations, all of them working in concert to conceal these capabilities, with zero complaint from Lockheed Martin, one of their biggest defence contractors, who don't even mind that discovery of this capability would destroy their international sales forever.

That's flat earth levels of self-delusion.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Anything can be in the firmware, there's no reason the payload signal has to be processed at the same point in the signal chain as everything else. And I'm not saying that it needs to be a complete fly-by-wire system, just sufficient to be able to ground the craft, which seems trivial to me - all you'd need to do is to just stop processing all signals on the bus.

I can 100% believe that the consortium of corrupt liars and incompetents that make purchasing decisions could absolutely miss this - either on accident or on purpose. Where do you derive your unshakable faith in leaders?

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Again, you're claiming that every single country in NATO missed this. All of them.

That's insane. If you're still pushing this line of reasoning I have nothing else to say to you. I can only assume you also believe that COVID 19 was a Canadian Military psy-op, the moon landings were faked, and that lizardmen from the hollow earth secretly control all the world governments.

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

An even more absurd argument would be to think that every state in NATO, when combined, was incapable of missing backdoors. As if when you get enough imperial forces together, suddenly they become omniscient. Perfectly infallible. Give me a break.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 0 points 7 hours ago

Intel Management Engine is a well known backdoor that is present in every single Intel CPU/motherboard and it is literally all over all of NATO. People said that didn't exist until exploits started popping up, years later, in devices every single consumer has easy, convenient, 24 hour access to.

NATO was built on the understanding that the US could be relied upon to act in the interests of NATO as a whole. I do not think that the threat from US has been adequately considered by other NATO countries until now.

If you don't see how opaque firmware blobs which could potentially contain literally anything could have been an underestimated threat by NATO countries (all of which, by the way, are basically just US client states), then I suspect you're rather closer to delusional thinking than I am.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 hours ago

Lemmy military experts watch a lot of TV.