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*Supports Avi Lewis*
*Joins Liberals*
At least with the Conservative floor crossers, you can see how they would get the idea of Carney maybe helping advance their ultimate goals. But this does not make sense to me. The way Carney is governing is pretty much at odds with Avi Lewis-type policy.
My thoughts exactly. Apparently she had just endorsed Avi Lewis last week. Unless I missed a major development in the last week, it seems this decision wasn't based on policy. Either that or her support for Avi Lewis wasn't genuine.
Being the one crucial vote is a hell of a lot of leverage.
You can't apply it all the time but still, that's a hell of a lot of power. And if anyone has the mandate to push a handful of things farther to the left, it'd the NDP convert.
(I'm assuming the two basically safe Liberal seats fall Liberal and PQ wins Terebonne (sp?))
Agree, but I want to note that PQ is a provincial party, I think you're thinking of BQ.
You are 100% correct!
Okay, but this comes with multiple issues:
With the federal Liberals moving to the right of where Justin Trudeau's Liberals were, and the increasingly right-wing rhetoric of the Conservatives with the party trying to appease and imitate Republicans down South, the erosion of the NDP like this further consolidates the system to a two-party one similar to that in the US.
In the federal Democratic Party down in the US you have a progressive wing of the democrats. How much have they been able to accomplish within the party? How much have they been able to accomplish in the party since Republicans took control of the White House, House, and Senate?
Idlout crossing the floor to the Liberals accomplishes nothing other than empower the Liberals and a two-party system in Canada. The Liberals have some more progressive people such as Erskine-Smith, but within the party what has been accomplished to move the Liberals to the left with him around?
You can move the Liberals left by opposing them, especially working with the Bloc Quebecois, Elizabeth May, and maybe Erskine-Smith on the rare occasion. Hell, on some issues, the NDP can likely work with the Conservatives, such as reforming the Labour Market Impact Assessment.
Working with the Liberals simply gives voters the impression that Carney's policies and issues "can't be that bad" because someone crossed the floor from the NDP. It also gives Carney the ability to apply direct pressure on her to fall in line.
The NDP was able to get dental care for low-income Canadians through outside pressure under Singh for all his flaws. There is no need to apply pressure from within the party when doing so from outside has proven to be effective and comes with less vulnerabilities.
The erosion was the vote collapse, not this.
Out of power? Fuck all. You might as well as what the harder right part of Poilievre's flank has accomplished.
Before that? Basically universal healthcare.
And risk everything against an ascendant populist right? This feels close to "I'm fine no matter how the election goes, fuck the vulnerable and others who have to deal with the generational consequences, we need to say and a message!"
Progressive Democrats at no point accomplished universal health care. Obamacare was simply a "meet-in-the-middle" situation if you could call it that, which has slowly been dismantled by Trump's Republicans. If Biden's Democrats had some progressive fight rather than being overrun by right-wing corporate Democrats and managed to pass actual universal health care, Trump would have never had a second term, full stop.
You fight an ascendant populist right not by merging with people who have also moved right, but by standing your ground in your values. Saying that the NDP is sticking a middle finger to the vulnerable is completely rich seeing how vulnerable indigenous populations already are only to have a Carney government stick the middle finger to them by saying "yeah, once again we'll fail to address the systemic issues that face you, and on top of that, we'll bypass your treaty rights to do what we want".
The Carney government has made healthcare vulnerable by not fighting the Alberta government when it comes to violating the Canada Health Act, has made union workers vulnerable by forcing arbitration on flight attendants striking against unpaid overtime, made Canadians as a whole vulnerable to U.S. foreign policy by falling in line with the U.S. with the official statement on the Iran war rather than following through with calling out violations of international law as the prime minister highlighted in his own speech at Davos, made the working class as a whole vulnerable by appointing a "Minister of AI" and being the first prime minister in over a century to not appoint a dedicated Minister of Labour, the list goes on.
The NDP has been vocal and unwavering in all of these things. To claim that supporting the NDP and that floor crossing to the party that has done all the above somehow sticks a middle finger to the vulnerable is a flat out lie.
Sorry, this reads more like ai campaign slop than a response.
It's also, at earliest in a Canadian time zone AFAIK, 1am when you wrote all that.
Goodnight.
Edit: To those annoyed. Look, the beginning was silly (what creates a middle ground? Two different positions, one being the progressive wing's!) And then was a long ramble about how the NDP would be good for the vulnerable which is to completely miss the point and reads like they just copied and pasted something.
I'm protective of my time and I imagine others are too.
The person you're discussing this with is clearly more knowledgeable than you are. So you resort to "they must be a bot." Good grief. Blocked
It's more they went on a semi random tangent about the NDP for the vulnerable, which is not the point.
It's like Pam Bondi being surprised people laughed when she brought up the DOW in the Epstein committee.
Lmao, alrighty then.
Writing posts late at night and giving a detailed response = AI.
Have a good rest I guess.
You just went off on "nuh uh, here's why the NDP is good for vulnerable people" which is to miss the entire point.
It's like when Bondi asked why we aren't talking about the DOW in the Epstein hearing.
Yeah, by being the tiebreakers the NDP was in a position of power. But not anymore, with this floor crossing. So I don’t understand this. The NDP could have still helped Carney out where they felt it appropriate
Voters would not forgive a party, especially on the Left flank for putting us in an election right now, especially when the Conservatives look strong.
But a member of the Liberal party...