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The problem wasn't the glass.
The problem was using wtf touchscreen controls to shift between drive and reverse. Mrs. Chao confused the two then died.
Shitty UI kills another person. Tesla fucking up basic UI design is the real villain here.
I still blame Jeep for thinking a rotating selector was a good idea for a gear shifter. RIP Anton Yelchin.
I thought his jeep issue was that P on the dial didn't actually guarantee the parking pawl was engaged to stop it from rolling. Separate from the lack of positive engagement with the P position, more about the physical disconnect between the two. Unless that was just the non-offensive language version of "user didn't turn the dial all the way and our polite warning chime was too polite"
At least you can still feel the rotating Jeep shitty gear selector.
Touchscreen controls on a Tesla have no feel or feedback. It's a touchscreen.
Sounds like both things are a problem?
I'm more inclined to blame Tesla's electronic locks and confusing manual override before blaming the windows though
Quick, do you know which panel to remove to find the non-electronic manual override in a Tesla? Car is sinking fast and the electronics just shorted out from the lake.
But sure, tons of bad design decisions here. It's hard to blame any one of them as the singular cause. If Tesla had easier to use manual override doors instead of electronic locks, if the windows could be broken, if the screen wasn't a confusing touchscreen mess, etc. Etc. Lots of factors and all are the cause.
a Tesla? There’s a legitimate point y’all are missing where they are different per model or over time
Probably doesn't help that Teslas guess which direction you want to go in and you have to change it if it's wrong. https://www.autoblog.com/2021/01/28/tesla-new-gear-shifter-guesses-direction-you-want/
Yeah, only on the newer ones tho. My buddy got I wanna say a 2022? And it doesn't have that. He specifically said if it did, he wouldn't have bought it.
she could have not floored it into a lake, but maybe I'm the only person that doesn't go balls out when they're backing out of a spot.
Accidents happen, and people panic. Maybe she thought she was pressing the breaks and made the problem worse. I highly doubt anyone would do it intentionally.
So then why blame the car?
By default, Teslas are set in "one pedal driving" mode, which makes it so that the wheels won't turn without the throttle/accelerator being pressed. That's a different interface and behavior from the traditional automatic transmission, where simply lifting the foot off the brake pedal allows the vehicle to roll either forward or backward, depending on whether it's in D or R.
The selection of the "transmission" setting of P R D in a Tesla also doesn't have tactile feedback that subtly communicates which direction it's set to.
The combination of the two means that the car is different in these ways and can contribute to mistaken gear selection plus application of the throttle, compared to a typical car.
i felt more than a little sick to my stomach at "one pedal driving".
Have you tried one pedal driving?
honestly, i can barely tolerate two pedal driving, but the thought of just removing the ability to actively brake in an emergency seems profoundly short sighted and dangerous.
It doesn’t do that. I don’t think there is any vehicle that actually has only one pedal. There’s still a brake you can use any time.
One pedal driving simply means the accelerator also slows the car as you let it up, so you may only need that one pedal on a lot of driving. This also means that standard brake pads and calipers can last much longer, since they don’t need to be used as often
This is popular in electric vehicles because regenerative braking makes it convenient.
While you could have the brake pedal do both braking and regen, now you’d be adding complexity to the braking system, making it less reliable
Edit: my car is set for very aggressive regen, so I rarely use my brakes. If I take my foot off the accelerator, it will come to a full stop fairly quickly. That’s one pedal driving. However it also has a standard brake and you better believe I’m using that as I’m waiiting at a traffic light or someone cuts me off or I mistime the regen
Ahh, no. Plenty of automatic vehicles will either not move or move very slowly when idling in drive, and you will always need to accelerate if you're facing uphill.
It definitely sounds like the driver was at least partially to blame.
Because they have changed the car controls radically. It's not intuitive for many people.
The car relies on systems which add undue complexity and area for failure in unforeseen circumstances. Solenoid doors have been around since the 50s, but there are reasons they were never common until Tesla decided to use them.
I'm not saying the lady is blameless and it's all the cars fault. But design decisions on the Tesla do makes them more difficult to use/escape from in an emergency situation.
Cause people want to blame the car?
Because insufferable Tesla fanbois have for literally fucking years told us that touchscreen controls are better.
No they aren't you dumb fucks. When you cant feel reverse vs feeling drive, people will get confused. And when you get confused on a 3 ton 600horsepower vehicle, people fucking die.
Go shove the shitty defense of touchscreen controls up all your collective asses. Tesla fanbois are insufferable.
Anyway, human computer interaction folks (HCI) have been talking about these issues for literally a decade. Tesla vehicles are prone to sudden unintended acceleration. Tons of people have gotten locked inside a Tesla unable to escape. Etc. Etc. Tons of terrible UI issues and human control issues. It's well known at this point.
These folks just wanna fanboy/girl over being scammed by their favorite billionaire for the lol memes.
The main problem is that all these companies have no experience with ISO26262 or Functional Safety for Road Vehicles. Replace "Tesla" with "BYD" and look at the number of news headlines regarding exploding cars in China.
Only benefit that comes from cars coming from the big 3 is that there's at least a few years of experience behind the design (even if its a bad one) so that it at least it doesn't blow up, or lock you in when its on fire.
Wait, has that ever been confirmed? I mean of course Tesla would deny it, but I'd be quicker to believe user error than a design flaw (but I wouldn't rule it out either)
https://youtu.be/7csgV2CuKNg?si=q9vOaUlW9SRY2rsD
Like, it happens. No other car maker has videos like this.
So we know Tesla's have it. What we don't know is if it's a UI issue or a physical malfunction. Given what I know about Tesla's shitty UI design, it very well could be user interface issues.
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Still not convinced …
For most cases (all cars) inspectors and manufacturers have blamed user error - thinking you’re pressing the break but are on the wrong pedal so you press harder. That’s muscle memory, we can understand that happening
Tesla has logging to tell what was being pressed and how, so a malfunction would also have to mislead that sensor Seems unlikely
What Tesla (BEV) has uniquely over other (ICE) cars is ungodly amounts of torque. When I tried seeing a little of what my car can do, in relatively safe conditions … even being prepared for it, I was pressed back in my seat so far that it was tough to hold on.
My speculation is user error, combined with a car that has way more power than most of us are used to. You could end up doing the same in a Ferrari, if you had a lot more money
Show us on the doll where the tesla drivers annoyed you?
Right here sir, where all the dead people are from obvious safety glitches.
Tesla cars can't even reliably open their doors when they catch on fire or sink into a lake. Electronic locks, electronic touchscreen shifter, electronic death traps.
You can't even turn on the windshield wiper without dumb electronics getting in the way of stupid Tesla's.
Yeah this is a little nutty seeing people with axes to grind.
An old lady drives her 2005 car through a restaurant entrance and people blame the driver and say things like "driving tests should be mandatory every X years." A woman in a Tesla launches her car into a lake and people jump to the drivers defense, make excuses as to why the driver isn't responsible, and want to complain about whatever bullshit the CEO tweeted out in the last week.
It's almost comical to witness.
she made a mistake. good design could have prevented her crash, and less negligent design should have let her live. absolute worst case scenario, it should have been an expensive mistake, but not a fatal one.
If you make a system idiot proof, nature will always come up with a better idiot
We live in an age of subway wrappers telling you not to eat them, and microwaves including warnings to not use them to warm up pet dogs and cats. Because nature keeps improving on Communi Idiota
I don't know about you, but in these parts we spin the gear selector to random, floor it and yell "JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL!"
Hertz stopped offering Tesla rentals because Teslas are designed to go balls out when the pedal is lightly touched and too often that involves straight into a wall or a lake
One pedal braking makes this a bit tricky for people who are not used to it and/or panicking. You spend decades of your life having a seperate "go" and "stop" pedal, and then suddenly they're the same one. You have your foot over the accelerator, lift a bit and feel the deceleration as if you're pressing the brake.
Suddenly, something darts behind you, and your brain says "I'm feeling deceleration, so your foot is on the pedal that stops things" and you slam on it like you would the brake pedal. I've done it with the clutch/brake after hopping back and forth between a manual and automatic a few dozen times after a very long day of vehicle testing. Muscle memory is a powerful thing and your brain's mental model of the world is not always correct.
No, I don’t see this at all. I suppose everyone is different but I fail to see how muscle memory if taking your foot off the pedal makes you press the same pedal. Those are opposite actions.
I definitely see the thing where you think you’re pressing the brake and don’t realize you’re on the wrong pedal so you press harder. That can happen on any car
personally i like to sit on my bike and just topple over, then start crying
Imagine if water spilled or leaked from the window onto the touchscreen, try using a wet smartphone... Could be touchscreen device malfunction or misclick causing the Tesla fatality
Good thing Teslas are known to not leak at all
I feel the sarcasm dripping from this comment...
You seem to have very detailed information on how the accident happened. Care to share?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/a-mistake-in-a-tesla-and-a-panicked-final-call-the-death-of-angela-chao/ar-BB1jAkIW