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I’m not even sold on Biden being the lesser evil to be quite honest

If nothing else, Trump is a lazy moron who pisses off everyone around him and provokes a lot of opposition

When Trump said “Less covid tests means less covid cases” everyone got pissed off. Biden made it policy. Trump wanted to ban TikTok, no one did anything about it and he got lazy and gave up. Biden passed the fucking thing.

The fact that Trump is a lazy slob who makes the liberals incredibly upset makes him marginally better than Biden imo

Yeah sure, I'll vote.

For the most commie left 3rd-party I can find

Libs in 2030: We must vote for 300% Hitler in order to prevent 400% Hitler from coming to power.

I've voted in every local and national election since I was first able to vote and I absolutely cannot give one fuck about it this year. I'm so insanely disillusioned with my local politics that I haven't even looked at my voter's pamphlet. I still feel like I should vote for props and measures but it's gonna be painful to even look at

The notion that Biden represents a lesser evil compared to the chaotic reign of Trump is a common argument. However, we must not forget that there exists a moral threshold below which neither choice is acceptable. To suggest that enabling a literal genocide can be considered a lesser evil is a morally bankrupt stance.

Liberals will vote for fascism if you place a fascist next to an embarrassing fascist.

Liberals will not actively fight fascism, they will assimilate to it. Those that do not will cease to be liberals and find their way to leftist ideologies.

this is the most important election of our lives

Blue MAGA will scold us over subjects like gay rights - rights they didn't fight over to get them to where they finally were when the sea change was inevitable and they "evolved" on such issues.

The notion that Biden represents a lesser evil compared to the chaotic reign of Trump is a common argument

Soon-to-be CPUSA party line. Though one may wonder if thats ever changed since they rallied around Hillary

This would be my response:

Biden and the DNC need to do more to prevent another Trump presidency.

They ran Hillary despite her being deeply unpopular. They almost ran her on a "It's Her Turn" campaign.

As far as I'm concerned they let Trump win.

And now they're doing it again while scolding people because they are convinced of the notion that Democratic Party cannot fail, it can only be failed and that they are entitled to votes rather than showing a true commitment to representative democracy by literally representing the politics that is most popular based on a democratic consensus.

They are a parody of liberal democracy.

Demanding that people hold their nose and vote didn't work the last time Trump was elected. Instead of yelling at people to vote against their interests, you should be yelling at the Democratic Party to start representing the people's interests.

(I would possibly throw in a jab about how they might be a rank political opportunist of such a degree that they can vote on the basis of someone who they do not believe in and have zero faith in but you need more than that.

Elsewhere I have outlined an argument to get them to discuss how Biden hasn't been able to address any of your concerns, in as much detail as they are willing to go into, before telling them that you have no faith in Biden and you cannot in good conscience vote for him because they have just convinced you that he is completely incapable of achieving anything and this would mean voting for him would be throwing your vote away - it's very hard for someone to backpedal after they've just spent the last 15+ minutes excusing all of Biden's inaction, even moreso when you understand that the only way they can about-face is by implicitly arguing that Biden can in fact achieve change for the things that are important to you but he simply chooses not to act.)

I'm sympathetic to lesser evilism, but what libs fail to do is apply it holistically. Biden is the competent fascist, Trump is the incompetent fascist, and that seriously complicates the question of which is actually the lesser evil.

And since I can't tell I'm just going to stay out of it.

Liberals actually care about shit when theres a republican in office so its not really beneficial if a dem is

I think that making reference to a "moral threshold" might be useful in scoring points on libs but is to the detriment of a material analysis.

The reason to oppose both is not any such "moral threshold", it's because we need to build a left that is capable of extracting concessions and eventually of winning power, one that bears fealty to the proletariat and not the bourgeoisie. Surrendering our vote to the less-right of two rightists is not the way to build a left.

The real "gaslighting", if we need to use that term, is therefore in the idea that this is the most important election of our lifetime when that was last election, and the one before that, and will be the next one too! Whatever the current election is will be, according to these miserable liberals, "the most important election". This question-begging obfuscates that there is a future beyond 2027, that all of politics is not totalized in the upcoming election, but part of an ongoing and interconnected series of events where there are things more important than getting the supposedly less-bad president one time.

Biden must lose. The Democrats learning they can get away with genocide would be worse than anything Trump may do