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[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 83 points 4 months ago

it does matter who wins, but they won't let anyone win who matters

[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 45 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Event as a then leftist, I used to be skeptical of this rhetoric until I saw every single establishment come out the woodwork to smear Jeremy Cromblin for being the minorest of threats to bourgeois power.

Major newspapers with front page news 100% seriously accusing him of being a soviet sleeper agent, the head of the armed forces (who is legally obliged to be impartial) went on the BBC news to specifically criticise Corbyn and talk about how he'll let everyone die to nukes, the notorious BBC moment of portraying him outside the Kremlin in a Ushanka like he's V fucking Lenin himself, not a single major media outlet accurately reported on how the antisemitism report entirely cleared Corbyn, or how the chief UK rabbi fueling the smears is literally a childhood friend of bojo .

I dunno, I could go on forever with examples - But that year I truly lost all hope in electoralism, and truly appreciated the bourgeois hold on fucking everything. I saw the machine come out in full force and it was scary. bear-despair

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

similar experience here with Bernie, if a youtuber has made a ten part, sixty-two hour series on all the ratfucking and the establishment shredding its own institutions to stop him at all costs I'd watch it

[-] ta00000@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago
[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

Interesting! I may give these a watch / listen. Not that I'm not already largely aware of the shit, but good to know more details.

[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

As a youth, I remember media talking heads using the term managed democracy being used to describe the various "regimes" that had free elections, but which in no sense did citizens democratically determine the direction of the country's government. It didn't take much introspection to apply that logic to the USA, but apparently introspection is a rare trait.

As Nyerere said, the United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them. We get to have free elections where the only thing we decide is to what degree of depravity the government will treat marginalized people.

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

Reverse polisci is just too good. The American two-party regime is a managed democracy that exhibits fragmented authoritarianism via rule by law due to its federalist structure.

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago

that is a very good way to phrase it.

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[-] Washburn@hexbear.net 67 points 4 months ago

That was a Biden campaign promise in 2020- that nothing would fundamentally change. Why shouldn't we believe that? It's the only campaign promise that he's delivered on.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

I wish he'd delivered on it. Things have fundamentally changed, for the worse.

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

Idk if it's really fundamentally worse, like yeah they're cranking the dials on the misery machine but it's still the same machine we've been strapped into

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

Fundamentally abortion is being outlawed

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

yes cranking the dials on the misery machine

[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

once the dial starts enabling additional genocides I think that involves fundamental modification to the machine

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

I would say that what's going on in Gaza today is an intensification of what's already been going on. It's not like October 7th happened and Israel hit the genocide button, October 7th happened as a result of the Palestinians being pushed closer and closer to the brink in a process that I would say has been genocide the entire time. It's not a new knob, it's the same ol' genocide dial getting cranked up to 11, but they've been crankin' the dial this whole time

[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

not the genocide im talking about (god thats horrific to say), talking about trans people getting absolutely fucked under Biden

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

Depends on how fundamental I guess. The war in Ukraine feels pretty big, if nothing else.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

The number of explicit genocides were enabling has gone up by one, that's pretty shitty.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

In bad country the people don't believe in their rigged elections because they know nothing will fundamentally change.

[-] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 46 points 4 months ago

If you're under 30, you've voted before when has voting changed anything except for making things worse, yknow. They didn't even get the weird euphoria of Obama in 2008 (except culturally, obviously, they couldn't have voted yet).

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 46 points 4 months ago

The failure of the transformative, Hope and Change promises of the Obama campaign/administration to materialize is a big reason why younger Americans are more cynical of electoralism and more left-leaning.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 46 points 4 months ago

Democrats: "Let's run a candidate who completely embodies all the qualities that we've taught a generation of children to look for in elected leaders if they want to see positive change that reflects their values"

obama-drone "Uh, let me be clear; Everything is going to get worse forever, fuck you."

Democrats: "Wait why are they turning on us?!"

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

Saying on day three of his presidency that whole "codifying Roe" thing was just a campaign strategy and they don't actually give a shit should have really told everybody everything they needed to know

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

that and "let's not look back, let's move forward" when it came to going after Bush's war criminal ass

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[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago

Who are these 26% and why are they so misinformed

That's probably the people whose careers or the careers of their family or friends depend on political patronage

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

I was in high school in 2004-8 and in my senior year english lit, there were classmates that still thought Iraq had WMDs.

[-] Leon_Frotsky@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

i know a guy who thought it was the iran war until about a year ago and said it was justified because iran had wmds

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[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

Rich radlibs and neolibs and conservatives

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 35 points 4 months ago

My first real welcome to the machine moment with voting was Obama. I voted for him. I believed the hype and I was off on the hope and change.

[-] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

It's a bit crazy how they gave up on even that after Trump. They're promising less than ever, despite them never following through in the past

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

I couldn't buy into the Obama hype. I tried but I couldn't. Then he got elected and set up his cabinet and I knew I was right not to buy it.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago

The election felt like it was going to be a referendum on the banks for the sub-prime mortgage crisis and then those finance jackals that directly contributed to the problem were brought in to oversee the bailout. It was such a transparent "fuck you" to everyone else.

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That's the funniest/most depressing part! White America lost its shit over a black president and then obama-medal did more to fuck up black America's generational wealth than their wildest dreams. But this country is so fucking racist they still hated him anyway for being a "Kenyan-born sharia sleeper agent" (their code for "not white as corn starch.")

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago
[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 35 points 4 months ago

It doesn't matter what the respondents chose, the article about them will be patronizing anyway.

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

Those are rookie numbers, gotta push those down.

[-] Runcible@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago

I have recaptured my youth!

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

where are you getting 26% from?

Oh they disagree that voting DOESN'T matter, Im dumb I should read more carefully

[-] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago
[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

but what about 10% + 16%

also 24 is the highest number

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[-] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

The trend is improving, but that's still 26% too high.

[-] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

And no matter if you vote or not, you lose if you care

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