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Meanwhile, 44 percent backed the American tradition of competing branches of government as a model, if sometimes “frustrating,” system.

Why would people want to live under an authoritarian’s thumb? It’s rooted, experts say, in a psychological need for security—real or perceived—and a desire for conformity, a goal that becomes even more acute as the country undergoes dramatic demographic and social changes. People also like to obey a strong leader who will protect the group—especially if it is the “right” group whose interests will be protected. Recall the Trump supporter who, during the 2019 government shutdown, complained, “He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”

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[-] Album@lemmy.ca 182 points 3 months ago

The people who dont want to be told how they live desperately want someone to tell them how to live.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 102 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They want their opinion mirrored back at them by someone in power so they don't have to take responsibility for their own opinions.

A close friend of mine is a woman of color and her bosses want the same things from her. They wants to hear their opinion come out of someone with her skin tone so they feel justified and not responsible at the same time. I imagine these are similar phenomenon.

[-] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Nailed it, this 💯

[-] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You just perfectly described the Candace Owens and Dave Rubin phenomenon.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

They don't want to be told how to live while simultaneously having someone force others to live like them.

[-] DBT@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

To have others be told how to live, which is how they prefer to live already.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 17 points 3 months ago

Exactly.

They support him because they believe he is like them, so they won't need to change anything. It's everyone else that will be forced to be like them that they want...

I hope I'm not spreading misinformation, but I believe one of the victims of the assassination attempt had a flag on his Facebook page that was a play off of "don't tread on me" and in it's place was a tank with "tread on all of them."

I fucking hate these people so much

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 65 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

32% of americans are chickenshit responsibility abrogators that want everything they do to be dictated to them. Religion has been a major primer for that mindset

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[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 65 points 3 months ago
[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 44 points 3 months ago

Also fun fact:

Every tabletop scenario he ran (think like a UN version of Risk) in which the Authoritarians had control, they wiped out everyone with nuclear war including themselves.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 16 points 3 months ago

I don't think we'll go out that way, but I do 100% believe our greed will be our "great filter" that we do not pass. :(

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago

with dwindling resources on a warming planet, I think the likelyhood of a significant nuclear exchange is dramatically increased - perhaps even inevitable.

agree with the great filter. it makes me think that humans, having acted as a great filter for our hominid family tree, are about to reap what we have been sowing for the last 200k+ years.

or this could be a one of many catalysts for speciation. I sometimes feel that some people are already a different species. not better, not worse (not willing to engage in subjective morality) - just different, with different goals, problems and problem solving tools.

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[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 58 points 3 months ago

TIL 32% of Americans are idiots.

Wait … I knew this already. Never mind.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You can pretty much ask almost any insane thing and it somehow always comes out to at least 30% of Americans.

I sometimes wonder if it'd always the same 30% and there just 30% idiots, or if that 30% spans multiple topics and groups of idiots and its actually higher like 60%

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[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago

Alternative headline: "32 percent of Americans are fucking braindead"

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago

And this right here is exactly why leftist should never give up their guns.

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 40 points 3 months ago

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

  • Karl Marx

If you go far enough left, you get your guns back!

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

That's not far left, that's just left of center. Don't buy the American bullshit that socialism is an extreme, it honestly isn't.

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[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 39 points 3 months ago

Even well-meaning authoritarians can do terrible things, to say nothing of their eventual replacement. Look what happens to otherwise great companies when the founder dies and is replaced by someone just looking to maximize next quarter profits.

What short-sighted utter fools.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago

Hmm I wonder what 30% that is....

I also wonder if there is any overlap between that 30% and people that have a bones for "freedom" and "liberty"

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[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

We fought a fucking war over this and people still seem to love licking boots.

[-] Tujio@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

It was a disturbingly close call which side of WWII we were gonna land on. In 1939 the second-largest Nazi party in the world was right here in America.

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 15 points 3 months ago

Stupid people who don’t know how the system works think that they will someday be wearing the boot. They think because they kiss the boot that they’ll never be stomped.

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[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 33 points 3 months ago

“Susan Sontag was asked what she had learned from the Holocaust, and she said that 10% of any population is cruel, no matter what, and that 10% is merciful, no matter what, and that the remaining 80% could be moved in either direction” —Kurt Vonnegut

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[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 32 points 3 months ago

Can’t they just say Trump supporters?

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[-] foggy@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

a decade later, somewhere on 4chan

be me
hardcore Trump supporter
Trump wins, I'm ecstatic
world starts going to hell, WW3 kicks off
married with three sons, trying to keep everything together
decide to start a construction company, war efforts boost business
build a bunch of buildings, making bank
get elected to local office, life is on the up and up

land a huge contract, biggest yet
build the place, turns out it's a gay bar
fml
media catches wind, calls me part of the "woke agenda"
sons get drafted into the war, proud but terrified
trying to keep the family safe as the world burns
business takes a nosedive, firebombed by extremists
every building I've ever built gets torched
house goes up in flames, barely escape with wife

wife blames me for everything, says I'm the reason we're targeted
receive word from the front lines
"All three of your sons killed in friendly fire"
caskets arrive the next morning
wife loses it completely, leaves the country, I'm left alone

arrested, accused of contributing to "trans agenda"
just a foreman trying to get by, now rotting in jail
every dream turned to ash
life was supposed to be perfect
now I'm just a broken man with nothing but regret

tfw everything falls apart because of one misguided decision

sadpepe.jpg

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

I'm not sure I find the idea of a 4Channer with a wife plausible.

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[-] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 months ago

Leopards ate my face energy

[-] UserMeNever@feddit.nl 28 points 3 months ago

News just in. At least 32% of Americans are brain dead.

[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 28 points 3 months ago

The Founders were ONLY CORRECT when they said we're allowed to Shoot Up Elementary Schools. Everything else was WRONG!

-Pro Life Republicans.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

That's what the Germans though in 1932, too. Maybe those idiots now should have a look into some history books about that era to see what happened next.

[-] UserMeNever@feddit.nl 14 points 3 months ago

I'm not sure they can read.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 months ago

This coming from the "if you exchange freedom.for security you will enjoy neither freedom nor security" folks.

Just a quick question: give me one, ONE simple example of a successful military dictatorship that didn't take the country to hell and left damn near all its citizens poor, suppressed, and suffering?

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[-] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Reactionaries believe that all of the problems they face are due to the fact that the wrong people are ruling.

They are 100% in favor of a neo-feudal pseudoaristocracy where billionaires are unleashed to rule the States as their fiefdoms and will impose their vision upon their subjects.

Reactionaries do not value individual autonomy except for the privileged man who runs the factory, farm, or family; all others should do as they're told or face his wrath.

They do not believe in structuring society to be fair and equitable, as is evident by their crusaides against DEI, holding police accountable, women, LGBTQ people, the non-religious, the unhoused, progressive taxes, and welfare.

All they care about is power to enact their will on others.

[-] Happywop@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

The dissonance is astounding. The average mouth breathing MAGA is either so poor and stupid that they don't realize that their taxes are going to go way up and their services like Pension and medical will evaporate. The other type of MAGA supporter is probably a fairly well off enough to insulate them from the worst of this (except the tax shift to them) but are happy because they get to openly hate the people they see as a problem which will lead to blow back that they can't understand. Bad times ahead if trump wins guaranteed

[-] Freefall@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Know what FINE! I say we give them a Democrat run military regime that imposes our beliefs on them under threat of execution. This solves a couple problems. It lets them feed their persecution fetish, so they can finally cum and chill the fuck out. It also alters their stance on the issue. Conservatives don't care about anything until it happens to them. Once they see how their fun ideas plays out against them, they will actually care about the issue and how it affects others. A lot of their "imma bring down the gubment with mah AR-15" clowns will find out their ideas are as impotent as they are. After their wet fart of a revolution fails, and a few years of learning what real oppression is, we voluntarily go back to a democracy.

Could be fun times!

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

32% is all you need. Thanks to the perpetual minority rule established by electoral college system

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Weird coincidence, but have you noticed how Trump's approval, when it's at its absolute lowest, always hovers around 32%?

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[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

32 percent of Americans are fascist bootlickers

[-] Audacious@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago

32% of Americans want to be Nazis? Sad to see.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

From this and other polls it really does seem that most countries would be immeasurably improved if a good third of the population were to spontaneously combust.

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[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Civics, politics, and world history classes. Is nobody taking these anymore? Sheesh.

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[-] ATDA@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

It has worked SO WELL for...

Well I wouldn't want to bother them with history.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

The people who think this have never had to truly struggle in their entire fucking lives. Fat little American piggies who think that everything will stay the same in every facet of life under their military dictatorship, as if nothing bad could ever happen to them and bad things will only happen to the people they hate. They take for granted all of the freedoms and luxuries they enjoy daily and never once consider how quickly those would vanish for them too.

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago

At this point, I would be unsurprised if a third of Americans voted for an industrial meat shredder for President, even after it had been repeatedly and clearly explained they would be marched into it at gunpoint if it won. The lower part of our bell curve is… well… very, very low.

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