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[-] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 129 points 4 months ago
[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 months ago

I don't think it would it be too bad since it'd have a current limiter would it?

[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 27 points 4 months ago

It will only charge as fast as the output of the power bank.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago

Yeah, so I think it'd be fine, since I'd think the charge limit would be about the same as the discharge limit of the power bank. It would heat up a normal amount for charging and being charged at the same time, but I don't think it would melt down or anything. It'd just drain slowly over time.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago

this assumes it's not a dogshit quality power bank

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[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

Just don't let a dog do a bad chew.

[-] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 102 points 4 months ago
[-] StellarExtract@lemm.ee 66 points 4 months ago

Are you claiming to refute the hard evidence OP has presented?

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

He's saying if you plug the charger in it can transmute the energy into work, meaning when you exit the room you may come back to finding it sitting on the counter unplugged. As your partner wouldnt have wanted it to put a hole in the roof so they unplugged it and put it on the counter.

[-] ArbiterXero@lemmy.world 57 points 4 months ago

Lisa!

In this house we obey the laws of THERMODYNAMICS!!

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 101 points 4 months ago

AFAIK, those things estimate charge based on voltage. If a battery heats up, it’ll have higher voltage. Not necessarily for a good reason…

[-] johnteachestech@sopuli.xyz 56 points 4 months ago
[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

So did that dog chewing through one of these in the other post recently, subsequently broke the mattress and house apparently, haha

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Is that why they're so inaccurate that they always die around 20-30% and never charge to 100%? I figure that phone battery meters are accurate cause they can track usage habits, but how would you do something like that with a power bank?

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

Yep. State of charge is almost entirely voltage based.

As a battery loses charge, the voltage sags.

What's happening in the OP is that the batteries are getting a voltage bump, likely from the conversion to/from 5v on the output and the conversion back to battery charging voltage on the input (or the thermal/internal resistance is changing).... One of those things.

Either way, the conversions are not 100% efficient, so basically all this does is turn your battery bank into a heater, slowly sapping the power away from it as heat until dead.

With phones, it can also be battery degradation, that the voltage drops off at a higher "state of charge" level than when the battery is new.

Voltage sags can also be induced by load. If you go from a high drain state on your phone to a low drain state (say, going from playing a 3D mobile app to idling at the lock screen) the state of charge % can actually increase.

Cold temperatures can also increase the internal resistance and cause batteries that are not fully discharged to stop operating as well, only to work again after being warmed up.

Current battery tech is wild, and the state of charge indicator of voltage can be extremely inaccurate.

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[-] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 63 points 4 months ago

My powerbank just detects that it is connected to itself and does jackshit.

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 18 points 4 months ago

Just buy another one and plug them into a ring.

[-] abcd@feddit.org 15 points 4 months ago

Just like at work: Forward office calls to your mobile. Forward mobile calls to your office phone.

Get your work done until everybody finds out and starts wasting your time again 😂

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 months ago

I wonder by what method it does that? put out a pulse code on the power out and look for it? Some USB cables don't actually carry the data lines through, so.

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 15 points 4 months ago

I imagine plugging a powerbank into itself just causes a short circuit. Detecting that isn't the most uncommon thing fafaik.

[-] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

What about all those usb handshakes? It think it will just drain itself with heat and damage the battery slightly while doing so.

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[-] ShortFuse@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Something something ground loop detection, maybe.

[-] Johanno@feddit.org 5 points 4 months ago

You either have a ping before connecting and if you get a response don't do it. Or you send some high frequency wave additionally to the power. You can detect that signal and then stop accepting the power.

Basically like ethernet over powerlines work.

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[-] grandkaiser@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Big oil strikes again!!

[-] grandkaiser@lemmy.world 54 points 4 months ago

Firefighters hate this one easy trick!

[-] Reviever@lemmy.world 51 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

DON'T DO THIS. i did that by mistake once and it grilled my powerbank. was completely broken after. this is beyond stupid.

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 32 points 4 months ago

What's stupid is buying cheap AliExpress power banks that don't mitigate this situation safely, and instead simply explode, burning your house down...

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[-] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Assuming it was either 15 years ago or your powerbank is a budget one.

My powerbank would just flip me off and tell me to go fuck myself if I did plug it into itself.

(seriously tho, it would just cut power and turn off immediately. If your powerbank doesn't do at least that, then discard it and get another one with more advanced protection features)

[-] Reviever@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

was around 10 years and Anker

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

And it was probably cheap Anker instead of expensive Anker? Maybe that shit just hadn’t hit consumer products yet as well. But yeah, Anker offers a HUGE selection of products from consumer to professional.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Just put it in the microwave to super charge it smh.

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Nail it to the side of your house, in the sunlight, for a totally free charge from the sun

[-] VonReposti@feddit.dk 4 points 4 months ago

Jokes on you, my power bank has solar cells. About the nail though...

[-] match@pawb.social 5 points 4 months ago

the hazards of perpetual energy

[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

[The Free-Energy Trick Big Companies Don't Want You To Know]

[-] VonReposti@feddit.dk 20 points 4 months ago

I once charged my phone by holding it over an induction cooktop. Only for a couple of seconds though as I was afraid to fry my phone, but it did it over 40cm

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 months ago

That's actually kind of valid. Though, the induced voltage might be a lot more than phones can typically handle via wireless charging.

Not recommended, however, induction cooktops and wireless charging are the same underlying technology.

I wouldn't gamble that the phone has sufficient over voltage protections on the wireless charging to survive. YMMV.

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[-] accideath@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I always wondered what would happen…

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[-] Wilzax@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

You shouldn't charge a battery pack at the same time you're discharging it unless it's specifically designed to allow that. Most consumer power banks are not designed to do that.

It's doubly stupid to charge it from itself.

[-] Backfire@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I once did that with a Samsung powerbank I have. Daisy chained the powerbank to charge itself and a phone in sequence.

The only thing that failed afterwards was one of the cables, but suffering a loss was definitely the reason I didn't attempt to do that again.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 18 points 4 months ago

I used to take those 9-volt battery connectors, wire them up together and then recharge a dead 9-volt with a brand new one until the tester strip thing showed they were both even. Surprised they never popped because they would get really hot lol

[-] pewpew@feddit.it 4 points 4 months ago

My dad used to recharge alkaline batteries with a special charger, but that was quite useless

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

Those chargers are really dangerous. It is technically possible to recharge a disposable alkaline battery a few times, but you're never going to get more than a half charge, and it will fuck up the internal chemistry turning each battery into a tiny potential pipe bomb.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I had a babysitter that used to do that. Even 7-year-old me thought that was a bad idea but she insisted that it was fine.

I wonder what happened to her. I hope she didn't accidentally harm a kid in an unintentional D-cell-powered terrorist attack.

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[-] bcgm3@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago
[-] MintyAnt@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

About to destroy OPs entire career with one short

[-] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago

I've heard the cheap ones don't like doing this too much.

[-] essell@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

We still talking about power banks?

[-] nexussapphire@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

100w charging, getting pretty toasty!

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