According to some Jewish orgs it would (sometimes they're also Zionist themselves though, especially all the big ones like the ADL). Depends what they think of the Beijing riots, but they essentially all consider downplaying the Holocaust as being Holocaust denial. Good catch comrade

Exactly what I came to post but without the might

It is. Likewise for the "holodomor" tripe.

Wasn't it a mix of a Maoist(collective workers who want to return from pre-Deng reforms) and liberal(economic free trade supporter students who want to move China post-Deng reforms and go to neoliberalism) protestors at the scene.

The problem with the color revolutions angle sometimes is that it reduces the role the masses play in the the protest who want real change. The CIA co-opts everything it has within reach.

Edit: Ah, read your fifth bullet point.

I think "insurgents" is more appropriate than rioters. They ambushed unarmed PLA troops with molotovs and burned them alive in their trucks and APCs, then egaged the PLA with guns.

Afaik the CIA contingent was very small and the overwhelming majority of students were protesting the Deng government's liberalization of the market. THere was also a social component - They wanted more social freedom to date and generally be kids, and felt that the very strict traditional expectations put on them were not in line with Communist thought.

This one is a worlder, so they’re even more

Nah let's be real the real world in the West has none of what we're saying, which is why they're experiencing such culture shock

It’s so funny seeing them confused that they can’t peddle the same tired bullshit tactics they’ve been using everywhere else. They’re so used to being completely unopposed in society that it’s genuinely a shock that someone would dare to impugn their intellectual superiority

It’s like a deranged family eating dog shit for dinner every night, telling each other how good the dog shit tastes and how they’re sophisticated and superior for their fine taste in dog shit.

Then they try feeding their delicious dog shit to strangers on the street, everyone goes “yo that’s literally dog shit I’m not fuckin’ eating that” and they go back inside to bitch and cry and moan about the authoritarian strangers who refuse to admit that dog shit is objectively gourmet food

If the incident happened in america, tank man would've been run over.

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Seriously! What about Yemen? What about Yemen? What about fucking Yemen? Even if China really did bulldoze ten thousand people, why is this such a fixation when the US and Saudi were very deliberately attacking vital civilian infrastructure in order to kill as many civilians as possible in what fits every definition of genocide? It only ended, what, this year? Last year? WHAT ABOUT YEMEN? WHY DON'T ANY OF THESE FUCKING FREAKS KNOW OR CARE ABOUT YEMEN? God it's so frightening.

This is what I always say, we're being played for fools spending so much time talking about whether or not there's a genocide in Xinjiang, which, if true, we'd have absolutely nothing we could do to help, meanwhile Black, Indigenous, and queer folk in the US are being brutalized. The reason it frustrates me is twofold, one because of the point you bring up, that we have no influence on their policies regardless of if it's real or not; but to me the second point which is just as important, there is no Western Imperialist country with less blood in their hands than China, literally every single Imperial core country has orders of magnitude more deaths than even the wildest imagination of anticommunists could accuse China of having. So what's the deal? It's just projection.

this is the one that gets me every time. they've all forgotten what's happening on our borders, they've never heard of Yemen, and they've thrown Palestine completely under the bus.

Their "humane concerns" will be just another fodder used which to terrorize, oppress and exploit other countries. Having a struggle session about how western leftists shouldn't support china/Russia does nothing, we can only influence our governments by ADDING to the propaganda by giving libs "reasonable" points AGAINST russia/china, which is why the inherent stance by every western leftist should be indifference or critical support.

Whichever or think tank sociopath came up with "whataboutism" is better at their job then all the rest of them combined.

liberal protestor

They weren't even liberal protestors. The vast, vast majority of students were there because they didn't like the Deng government's liberalization of the markets and wanted a return to communist economic policy. The CIA sponsored liberal democracy group was very small. And no one died in the square, all the students left more or less peacefully. The fighting was several blocks away between would be insurgents and PLA troops.