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[-] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 107 points 2 months ago

Yeah but why did they need to get political about it?/s

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago
[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 72 points 2 months ago

Oh how right/wrong they were... 😮

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 106 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

At that level of co2 production, they were probably right about the timetable. What they couldn't predict is that co2 production would rise so dramatically with automobiles and industry in the decades after that. They were at 7 billion tons a year then. We are over 36 billion tons a year now, over 5 times as much. That has clearly expedited the effects on the climate.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 29 points 2 months ago

That's so cool to know! Oh wait I mean hot, and also not, well anyway thanks for sharing:-P.

[-] EddyBot@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 months ago

What they couldn't predict is that co2 production would rise so dramatically

interestingly enough in the early 1900 there were more electric cars than ICEs in north america

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 64 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That was probably fairly accurate at that time.

Look at the historical data here:

https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions

BTW, the large recent drop in co2 emissions, covid.

[-] xthexder@l.sw0.com 14 points 2 months ago

"large"... If only. Barely a drop in the bucket.

[-] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone 9 points 2 months ago

I never thought I'd say this, but looks like we need more pandemics!

[-] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago

This is actually a thought that some climate deniers have. "Climate change is a hoax to control you, covid was the trial run".

Unsurprisingly, the people who say that publicly tend to be funded by oil.

[-] zerofk@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

Why doesn’t anyone ever think COVID was sent by God to give us a reprieve and a chance to get our act together, which we’re now squandering?

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

Good news! We're continuing to shit on our biodiversity safety net.

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[-] Dippy@beehaw.org 6 points 2 months ago

Whenever I think about this article, I think about how they could not have possibly known how emissions would grow, and they were perfectly reasonable to frame it this way. And if things stayed at that rate, we would have been able to do something about it so easily when we started getting worried

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 52 points 2 months ago

It's a good thing someone noticed this back then, and the world dumped the coal industry. Imagine how fucked we'd be now if this was completely ignored.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago

While kicking The can down the road, you come across a sign.

BRIDGE OUT AHEAD

What do you do?

  1. Continue kicking the can, I'm sure it'll be fine.
  2. I don't believe in bridges.
  3. Even if God let the bridge collapse, which he wouldn't, I'll go to heaven if I fall and die, so who cares?
  4. Pick up the can and go find a dumpster.
  5. There's squirrels in my pants! Jump to safety!
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[-] Cossty@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago

Woke. Cancel them. Get politics out of my newspapers.

[-] RQG@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

They have already been canceled.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

Because they never account for exponential consumption growth. It was "a few centuries" at current consumption.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 36 points 2 months ago

The thing that really gets me about these ignorant fuckers is it's not just the indisputable math, it's that we've observed the proof not just in our ecosystem, but on Venus. You can't even pretend we don't know how these systems work in at least a general sense.

[-] WrenFeather@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Aren’t there still people trying to suggest that we still don’t know if climate change is scientifically understood/proven? This is crazy that we knew about this so long ago!

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

Not seriously, no. Are there people lying in order to betray their entire species for absolutely no benefit? Yes.

[-] coffee_whatever@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

No benefit? No, of course not. But for more money to the shareholders of the oil and coal companies which some politicians either are or get payed by. OF COURSE! They will do it gladly with a smile.

Renewables aren't funded anything close to what governments of any country spend on oil and coal companies, and that's for the benefit of the very few people who own them.

Didn't we already figure out the whole climate change story way back long ago? And the only reason why we didn't do anything about it were studies funded by the oil industry so that they absolutely have to show there was "no link" between our CO2 emissions and the global temperature? Because I'm pretty sure that's the story.

[-] PrimeMinisterKeyes@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Solé's fantastic and extremely recommendable book "Phase Transitions" covers this as well. Quoting Janssen et al.: "even when the group is faced with negative results, members may not suggest abandoning an earlier course of action, since this might break the existing unanimity."
"More generally, the underlying problem here is why complex societies might fail to adapt [...]. Even if there is some social perception of risk, short-term thinking often prevails when facing long-term vulnerabilities. Such undesirable behavior is often favored by a combination of incomplete understanding of the problem, together with the misleading view that all changes are reversible."

[-] kureta@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

misleading view that all changes are reversible

That is chilling.

[-] Mammothmothman@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Kind of the opposite in this case no?

[-] kureta@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago
[-] eleitl@lemm.ee 34 points 2 months ago

To be fair, in 1912 it was not at all obvious at which scale humanity started to burn everything after 1950.

[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

Only one century has passed since then, so we're still good. It's pollutin' time!

[-] zer0squar3d@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Idk why but captain planet popped up in my head when I read the last sentence.

[-] geissi@feddit.org 25 points 2 months ago

And this is when the topic was published by a newspaper.
If memory serves, the fist scientific publications were from the 1880s.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 23 points 2 months ago

That may end up being correct. The models predicting the most catastrophic effects are often showing that for 2100, which would be nearly 200 years from the publish date.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 6 points 2 months ago

And my friends and family wonder why I'm not having kids. I'm sure eager to bring new life in right before one of the most cataclysmic events of humanity, that's for sure.

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It said a few centuries, not a couple.

[-] noxy@yiffit.net 2 points 2 months ago

what's the difference?

[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

What's funny about that newspaper excerpt is that it is word-for-word plagiarized from a picture caption in earlier article in Popular Mechanics, March 1912

The reporter for Rodnen and Otamatea Times must've been on tight deadlines!

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

It's Rodney, the district just north of Auckland in New Zealand

[-] lenuup@reddthat.com 19 points 2 months ago

just could not imagine the scale at which human civilization would escalate. Apart from that, spot on.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 2 months ago

That's like 30 years after the concept was first understood. Even now the concept is downplayed so people don't reject it outright

And even today, almost no one truly understands the implications of exponential growth... I'd give them full marks

[-] Actionschnils@feddit.org 13 points 2 months ago

The German Federal Public Radio (Deutschland Funk) has a Radio Documentary Series, about particular historical Topics called "Der Rest ist Geschichte". Mostly academic experts explain the topics from the academic view for "common" people. They made a interesting one about the History of the Knowledge about the climate crisis.

Aus der Dlf App | Der Rest ist Geschichte | Klima und Krise – Seit wann wir von der Erderwärmung wissen https://share.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.html?mdm:audio_id=dira_DLF_15dd044f

Afaik there is no English version :<

[-] Armand1@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago
[-] EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

1&1/10th is indeed a very few centuries.

[-] Gumus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Technically correct is the best kind of correct.

[-] thejml@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

WARKWORTH was Wokewarth, am I right?

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Gramma was a toddler.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 2 months ago

Humanity: Hold my pint.

[-] filcuk@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

Why did they not print the whole of 'Affecting' on a new line, that's bothering me

[-] gmgmgm@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Liang hadn’t made his hyphenation algorithm yet :(

[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago
[-] Trollception@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Many decades have past since 1912 and we are still here.

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