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[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 133 points 1 month ago

"They have to do that stuff first to earn my vote! I don't care if they never had the power to do so!"

-Morons

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"They've had 4 years to do something!"

Ughh... Learn how it works people. We had 2 conservative "Democrat" (golly gee look how Manchild is not a Democrat anymore literally...) senators deny everything from 2020-2022, then we lost the house to Republicans who's idea of bipartisanship is to give Democrats the finger all the time from 2022-2024... Sooo what exactly could we do?

Then there's the extra special people who want to "balance" by voting D president and R representatives... Ffs... That shit died when Gingrich started his "my way or go fuck yourself" brand of politics...

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[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 month ago

i'm just here for the yOuUuUuU sUpPoRt GeNoCiDe!!!! chuds to get triggered and provide entertainment

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[-] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 115 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Decisions are made by those who show up, it’s as simple as that.

You may hate it, but the Republicans are definitely better at getting people in line, both literally and figuratively. They turn up and vote even if they don’t like the candidate because… that’s their party. And it’s the only one that they feel represents them.

Meanwhile a lot of Democrats stay home because the candidate isn’t the one they wanted, doesn’t support everything they want, is too old/young, etc. There’s this attitude of ‘if I can’t have my perfect candidate, I’m staying home out of protest.’

I get it. Every voter wants a perfect candidate. But perfect is the enemy of good, as the saying goes.

I always look at it like this: if I vote, I might not always get the outcome that I want, but at the very least I’m nullifying the vote of a person on the other side.

If the other guy shows up and you don’t? That’s how you lose rights.

Be someone who shows the fuck up.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I show up every time and it feels like people still make decisions for me.

What keeps me voting is realizing that real life is disappointing and I’ll never be happy.

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[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 104 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Don’t believe the naysayers. No matter which state you are in, your vote is important. Extreme Conservatives have been taking over school boards and imposing their agenda on kids.

Offices like Sheriff, Coroner, Secretary of State, Lt Governor, State Representatives, City and County Councils etc. are all important.

Every Vote Counts!!!!!

Edit: Many important local races will be decided by less votes than updoots I received for this comment.

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

Offices like Sheriff, Coroner, Secretary of State, Lt Governor, State Representatives, City and County Councils etc. are all important.

Not only are they important, it's exactly how the freaks running the GOP took control of the party. They've been grinding 2 things consistently for decades: down ballot races and the judiciary. It's been wildly successful for them. We are going to have to match if not duplicate that effort.

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[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 85 points 1 month ago

force fed the bible.

Dude...I was talking to my 5yo today. They've learned the pledge of allegiance in kindergarten.

He recited it, perfectly, verbatim.

I cringed slightly at the "under God" part, as I'm a devout atheist (though we've barely mentioned religion at all to the kids).

Once he was done I asked him if he knows what any of it means.

"No. But I can say the whole thing!"

Smh.

[-] wieson@feddit.org 47 points 1 month ago

I cringed at the part "pledge of allegiance" and then again at "kindergarten".

Americans don't realise how north Korea style that is.

[-] Metz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Couple of years back i stumbled over this video, which i as a german think is absolutely fucked up: https://youtu.be/DjX7zoFrd7g?si=6BtMIxqTxtdAYHvi

Quote from the Wiki about the "Young Marines"

The creed that every Young Marine lives by is:

  • Obey my parents and all others in charge of me whether young or old.
  • Keep myself neat at all times without other people telling me to.
  • Keep myself clean in mind by attending the church of my faith.
  • Keep my mind alert to learn in school, at home, or at play.
  • Remember that having self-discipline will enable me to control my body and mind in case of an emergency.

Its absolute insane what they do to this kids: https://www.instagram.com/means_tv/reel/C7T93trOtg3/

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[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 month ago

Reminds me of when I had to have a meeting with the school about some additional speech therapy for my daughter. It was in the morning and cut to the Canadian Anthem playing. Everyone stopped what they were doing and stood up for the anthem. Fucking weirded the shit out of me. I'm 47 and born and raised Canadian. Standing or reciting anything blindly as a group is fucking weird.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I was, um, gently informed by a teacher once that you can say the pledge without "under God" and it sounds natural as it was originally intended. This blew my mind as a young atheist and made me realize how pervasive religion is.

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[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile my 3yo stepdaughter in kindergarten spends the day painting with watercolors, singing, dancing, playing with others and apparently learning common courtesy (The other day she told me that in kindergarten they're supposed to say "please" when asking for something).

Much as I've wanted to move to the US for the significantly higher salary ceiling as a software engineer, I don't think I could do it to her.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Every time the Dems lose, they go to the center to find voters. Want them to stop going to the center? Then give them overwhelming and consistent victories.

If you think you can change their platform by not voting or voting 3rd party, you're dead wrong. They will just go to the center voter even more. This is not a Mexican standoff that you can win, because they have an out which is worth double (a center voter is both a vote for them and vote taken away from the other party).

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 18 points 1 month ago

How are we supposed to change their platform? Because rewarding them with victories when all they do is go to the center hasn't been working.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago

God, I hate fighting people just to get them to vote in a way that makes mathematic and strategic sense.

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[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm voting Democrat like I always do. I remember being the only non-right wing senior citizen looking person at my polling place for Hilary Clinton when no one showed up. Not with any hope, just so I can say I voted against gleeful hatred.

I'm just pissed that I will never, ever get a vote against market capitalism, as it controls both parties on economic policy and we only get a vote on how to manage the social issue symptoms it causes.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

Okay but voting is a group project and everyone I’m partnered with is ignorant and short-sighted.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

School really did prepare us for real life in the end

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[-] Godric@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

This thread is a shitshow.

American democracy ends in a month if things go poorly. It's done, over, gone. A Mein Kampf reader will no longer have any restraints, no adults at the table to say "no, that's wrong" if he wins again.

DEMOCRACY. WILL. BE. OVER.

Bitch, whine, fuck you bringing this up in thread last 30 days, I live here. So do my fucking friends and family. I don't want to see them or I put in camps to be "deported" for having the wrong skin color, lover, gender, or religion/lack thereof.

Fuck you, vote.

[-] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Early voted today in AZ. Straight blue! I was the first person in line in my county in one of the 3 precincts opening early today. 💪

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[-] ignotum@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

kids are force fed the bible

Well that can't be true
Republicans are strongly against feeding children after all

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[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 month ago

I remember when dems had the presidency and both houses and did nothing stated here.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Manchin and Sinema don't count. Fuck them.

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[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

Which is why Reps are the ones constantly vying for various "voter security" measures (voter suppression).

Vote like your life depends on it. Because it does.

[-] Willie@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

These new Star Wars films are wild.

[-] daltotron@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago

Time is a flat circle, except the cycle comes back around again every second. The same conversations over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Had at such frequency, with such vitriol, it is totally indistinguishable from pure noise. It's like a root canal for your brain.

Someone brings up wanting to not vote, on some principle. Could be Gaza, could be them not so slowly capitulating to the right on every issue since FDR got out of office, to the point that we're now running george dubya 2 as president. Then someone says, ah, well, you should vote democrat anyways, because they're better than republicans. Then we get one of two answers, we either get, ah, well, no they aren't, or, they aren't better on this one particular issue that I care about, so fuck it, right. Which is not a super convincing counterargument. Or, we get the real argument, we get the deeper dive into the actual political process, which we all collectively understand to be completely fucked as to basically be unrecoverable, and yet still, somehow, this is a source of constant disagreement. Usually because people who don't know any alternative have deluded themselves into cynically caping for the same broken system as some form of what is basically escapism.

Ah, not in a swing state? You live in a population center? Seems like your vote doesn't matter, better luck next time. Ahh, you don't live in one of like, twelve counties in those swing states? Ahh, well, seems like your vote doesn't matter, either, because of gerrymandering, so, sucks to suck for you. Ahh, well, guess the electorate decided to pick someone different than what you voted for, so, better luck next time. The democrats lost? Ahh, well, if only the left had turned up to vote. You just gotta vote, and then we'll be granted such an overwhelming victory that we will be able to implement all of the milquetoast reforms you've ever wanted! The democrats win? Ahh, well, time to pull to the right twelve more degrees, since we've won the race, and now whatever the voters care about doesn't fucking matter at all. The democrats win, but then the supreme court decides to veto the recount because the voting system in a single state was so totally and completely fucked? Ahh, well, looks like we gotta go kill a million fucking people in iraq for oil money, champ, sorry about that.

It's especially fucking insane because the idea of voting for them in the first place is an acknowledgement that we live in a FPTP system where you cynically have to vote for the lesser evil. Every other qualification and quality that the system has, which makes it worse? That shit doesn't exist. We're taking the most simplified, common idiot stance, here. It is so insane that I struggle to think that it's not just bad faith drudgery. Out of the 350 million, only like 5% of that are people who even approach mattering, and, as we also know, it's kind of dubious even then. So, if those are the only people whose votes matter, and we all FUCKING know that, then why the hell am I inundated with constant removed and moaning and whining about how I just simple NEED to vote democrat or else nooo nooo we're going to be plunged into literally a hitlerian dystopia like handmaid's tail? Look around you, look at what is currently happening.

Oh no! Another democratic senator has decided to stand in opposition to this bill, narrowly swinging the votes around and keeping us deadlocked into an eternal hell where nothing except bipartisan things like border spending, foreign policy, spending on the military industrial complex, banning shit like tiktok, and the basic foundational elements of neoliberal economic policy ever get done. Whatever shall we do? Guess the answer is just to vote harder!

If the democrats did actually get an overwhelming victory, you wouldn't get FDR again. They've been very clear about exactly what their policies are, and they've calculated that position as a way to push the buck as far in favor of their corporate sponsors and themselves as they can get away with, while both winning, and also presenting a constant war to the public where it's a struggle to get anything done. The narrowest margin of victory is actually a boon, in that circumstance. It means they can both run on unpopular policy and they can make it look as though they're trying to get things done and oops whoops they're just narrowly failing. If they somehow got a massive win on that platform, probably through some absolutely massive unforced error by republicans. I don't even know what that would look like, at this point. They would probably all have to collectively catch a disease and die simultaneously, and I think that would probably also spell chaos for the nation. You wouldn't see the dems suddenly run to the left, after that,, because the left would have basically no leverage over them, no bargaining power, no hand in their win. You especially wouldn't see them drift to the left because THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE FUCKING CAMPAIGNING ON. SO THAT CAN'T BE WHY THEY GOT ELECTED. The only way they would get that majority in the first place is basically through them moving to the left to begin with, which as previously described, they will never do, or, worse off, and what they are currently trying to happen, is if like, 40 - 50% of the population suddenly drifted super rightward and became neocons.

No democratic party politician is some secret communist that, ah, once they get an 80% majority, after enough election engineering, enough rightward drift, enough calculations that they can get into power unilaterally, then, suddenly then they'll become a communist. The most you might see is that republicans, after losing so badly, might make a better run at implementation of actually populist policies, but then that's kind of obviously a nonstarter for them because they're ALSO owned by corporate entities and they're ALSO doing this same exact gambit. The idea of getting a huge win somehow also relies on the utter delusion that you can outflank the republican party from the right, or, outflank them with your competence at right-wing policy. You could maybe outflank them in competence, but that's both not a good thing, obviously, and it also wouldn't matter to their core base of delusional evangelical suburban whites that have an outsized amount of voting power and oil money.

The reason some people think this, if they even do, and aren't just assuming whatever cynical position they have to in order to push things around, is because they're idealistic and totally delusional about the incentives the system naturally produces. How people in power go through many filters that all but guarantee they'll be acting in their own self-interest by the time they reach the top. There's no secret leftist that is going to reach a presidential level of power and then suddenly come down and save us all. I'd love to be proven wrong there, but it's not fucking happening.

And you know what's the worst about all this shit? Every election cycle, every single time, at the one time when there is the most political interest flaring up in the population, we are met with this fucking insanely dumb conversation that we have over and over and over and over and over again. It eats up space that could otherwise be reserved for actual serious conversations about strategic voting, how to look into local policies and politicians and how to vote for them, where those resources are, how to organize, how to gain political leverage, how to unionize your workplace, how to stage a protest, participate in a protest, when a protest should even be done and what amount of political leverage such an act might buy you. None of that ever gets talked about. Instead we need like a year out of every four where the only political conversations anyone is capable of having is this repetitive overly simplified bullshit. This ideological poison which totally stymies any serious dialogue. And then turn around and wonder why nobody except the dumbest and most aggressive sacks of shit on the planet, that are obviously just taking out their anger issues actually want to talk to you about this shit, sacks of shit like me. It's insane. I don't understand how we keep falling down the stairs. I don't understand how this keeps happening.

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[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Actual analyses done on this topic by Pew, Breugel, and National Affairs suggest this effect is largely not true. When considering the entire electorate, a significant number of non-voters lean Republican or are politically unaffiliated and would not support the democratic party.

Further research indicates that, despite popular belief, higher voter turnout does not consistently benefit either party across the board. Over the past 70 years, there has been no strong correlation between increases in turnout and the Democratic vote share in presidential or midterm elections. This suggests that while higher turnout could marginally favor Democrats, it might not drastically alter outcomes.

Democrats could gain some advantage from 100% turnout due to the inclusion of historically underrepresented groups, but the overall impact would likely be less substantial than expected, as the partisan balance among non-voters is more evenly distributed than commonly thought.

The notion that 100% voter turnout would deliver sweeping political control for Democrats is just a comforting illusion—one that feeds into the fantasy that everyone secretly agrees with you. Both parties indulge in this kind of wishful thinking, convinced that non-voters would tip the scales in their favor if only they showed up.

The truth is that America is fiercely divided, and non-voters are just as politically varied as regular voters. Believing otherwise is just a way to avoid confronting how split the country really is.

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[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

“I’m not going to vote because democrats aren’t communist which makes them basically republicans” - average Lemmy.ml user

Jk it’s actually something more like “I’m not going to vote because I’m European”

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[-] meiti@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Forgive my ignorance please, I'm not an american. I see these posts often on reddit and lemmy, but shouldn't these posts be displayed on tiktok, billboards, or anywhere that those poeple who don't vote frequent? Is there any stat at all to show whether such posts work?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

shouldn’t these posts be displayed on tiktok, billboards, or anywhere that those poeple who don’t vote frequent?

No. This is all just preaching to the choir for karma.

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[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

Then with a supermajority the dems will talk about bipartisanship and you'll watch the slowest change ever.

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