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Hello everyone! Hestia here with a new Megathread! Years ago, before I transitioned and when I was still in college I took an anthropology class. My favorite part of the class was when we were covering different gender customs across the globe and got to make a report on one of them. I can't remember exactly which one I chose for that project, but what I do remember is a map with different pins scattered on it with various forms of gender-queerness. I decided to track it down and share it with you folks!

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=8.016975588774075%2C64.4248907814756&z=2&mid=1zDWxhBN5aOofwpE-FkZWQsiFDlE

Edit: you have to open this in a browser, if you're on a phone it will automatically try to open it in Google maps and won't bring up the info.

This map provides a brief summary of these genders, but does not go in depth. If you find any you're interested in, feel free to do some further research and share your findings here. I'll pin a comment to this post you can attach them. I'm going to share a couple that I found interesting and decided to look further into myself, both of them are non-binary and native american in origin.

The first one I want to talk about is the Winkte, which is a third gender role that was particulatly notable in the Lakota tribe The Winkte are seen as half-men, half-women, and considered sacred. They are typically AMAB and historically have served unique roles in matters of romance and matchmaking and often served as intermediaries for prospecting couples and their families. They also participated in war parties, functioning primarily as witnesses to battle and as doctors to care for the injured. They were also seen as seers, able to forsee paths to victory.

https://www.sdpb.org/blogs/arts-and-culture/the-winkte-and-the-hundred-in-hand/

This next one I'm going to talk about seems mostly local to the Zuni people called the "Lhamana" and I find the Zuni culture to be particularly fascinating, even just doing a cursory glance at it.

Gender roles were well defined in Zuni culture, but the Zuni also valued the concept of a "middle" as it represented stability. This originates from their creation myth, which I won't go in detail here because I don't feel qualified to summarize it, but it's in the link down below.

The Zuni culture is pretty neat and they don't refer to gender when talking about children. They believed that gender wasn't an inborn trait but something you acquired as you approached puberty. I wish this was the western approach, but alas.

As children approach puberty they begin to differentiate through different hair styles or clothing choices. AFAB Lhamana would grind corn and make a bowl of stew when they get their first period. There's probably some cultural significance to this, but I'm not going to do a deep dive on it right now. AMAB Lhamana would start to wear dresses once they hit puberty and start performing women's work. Both AMAB and AFAB Lhamana were allowed to switch between male and female gender roles as they pleased.

https://owlcation.com/social-sciences/The-Middle-Gender-in-Zuni-Religion

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[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Gender research findings go here

[–] pooberbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_Delaware#Treatment_of_gender

More of linguistic interest, Pidgin Delaware, a simplified amalgam of local, indigenous languages used for trade with Europeans, used two linguistic genders. Unlike European languages, however, the genders aren't masculine and feminine but rather animate and inanimate.

[–] Feline@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Unlike European languages, however, the genders aren't masculine and feminine but rather animate and inanimate.

This is how proto-indoeuropean is thought to have developed! And then over time, the animate gender became masculine, and inanimate feminine (probably reflecting the patriarchal society)

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[–] Yukiko@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Whoamg my boobs are so huge now AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I’m in a ton of pain though. But I’m alive so woo! And my chest has melons on it! party-blob

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[–] AshenWolf@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I got gendered correctly today. Had someone calling out "sir, sir", trying to ask me for directions. I turn to face them, and they look confused. "Sir, Ma'am, I can't tell with the mask on". I took my shot, put on my best fem voice. I had mastered the talk-no-jutsu, my voice training was about to pay off. I looked at the person, and proceeded to ignore most of the training, just changing pitch and speaking more softly. It still worked, I got called ma'am. They later apologized for getting it wrong, and I just said no worries. No eyebows. No stare. No disgust.

I've done it, I've won :keikaku:

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[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My gender today is girlrotting fail witch.

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[–] Tommasi@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I saw my mom for the first time in a few months today, and she asked me if I'm aware I'm starting to look just like her and that seeing me was basically like seeing herself catgirl-huh

Officially in the estrogen making you look like your mom gang

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[–] whatnots@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i love my fatness! i love my queerness! my fat queer body is beautiful and sexy!!!! kirby-spin

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[–] Yukiko@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago (3 children)

In the hospital for my top surgery. I’ll see all you folks on the other side :3

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[–] yewler@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I stood up for myself and my gender for the first time today. A friend kept degendering me and I asked him not to.

Kind of a small thing but I feel proud of myself since I've always had a poor self esteem

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[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 months ago

I'm no longer a kissless virgin, just a regular virgin 😎

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How come all of the people I haven't come out to yet are always misgendering and deadnaming me? Kinda fucked up.

Pretty transphobic, ngl

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[–] Yor@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

today I just want to lay in bed and listen to music, but I have to work πŸ˜’

[–] Eco@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

it really is smdh why can't we all just live in a temple complex in Sumeria somewhere? we really fell off

[–] rtstragedy@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago (8 children)

absolutely unrestrained gushingOKAY so have you ever just heard someone's voice and it makes you just kinda fucking melt? Yeah, that's me, every time I hear her voice... its somehow comforting and sexy at the same time and I just kinda want to keysmash everytime we voice chat and I kinda get a little nervous and flustered and sometimes have a little difficulty talking but that's nice too because I can generally just be quiet around her too and that's really cool.

ugh she's so great chat ugh

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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (6 children)

today in adventures in being out at work

guy comes up to me and while i'm pretty used to being called "sir" because of my barely trained voice, this guy called me "sir" before i fucking said a word to him agony-deep, so I just took a mental deep breath and responded to him in my best femme voice I could muster. I think I could feel that it was at least good enough to put him on his toes because the rest of the interaction was kind of awkward and he never called me a man after

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[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Lady on this show just let her dog take a lick out of her whine glass and then continued to drink from it.
White women be crazy. doggirl-sweat

[–] gaystyleJoker@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

your wife literally lets a puppy use plates and silverware lmao

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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

first thanksgiving as a t girl. time to ruin it by openly reading settlers

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

My package got seized, fucking transphobic customs

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[–] Yor@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

surgery stuff (positive)finally argued my case hard enough that the surgeon I'm going with says he feels comfortable moving forward with insurance authorization

lost respect for him over the last month, but I don't really need to respect him for him to do surgery. I'll take the W

now back to electrolysis once again. πŸ˜…


I've also learned all the hiragana and katana characters and can remember them without reference transshork-happy

need to learn more words and kanji now. it was really intimidating to finally start learning japanese, but it's really not so bad once I got used to it. I can slowly start reading words in media I like and that's so exciting, even if it takes me so long for now

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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

going to ruin Thanksgiving this year by being a trans woman, getting drunk, and then screaming about how this holiday is a celebration of genocide and that we're currently on the stolen land of the Notdoxxingmyself people

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[–] Josephine_Spiro@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Coolish gay guy I met turns out to have brainworms about furries :( Guy thought being a furry was akin to bestiality

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[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I haven’t gone swimming in years.
I used to love swimming.
I wish I could do it without worrying about how I look or body image issues or other people.

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[–] yewler@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It feels equal parts strange and nice clicking the little "female" box on my school applications

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[–] rtstragedy@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (3 children)

do not read this, its way too positiveI had the best evening ever yesterday. I got dragged along (thank you) by the girl I am dating to a discord thing, and it was so nice to hang out and play games with the cool people there. I'm so glad to be welcomed by this new friend group I could cry a little.

It was allegedly a date night but I wouldn't change anything, and we still got some time after to hang out and wow sure does feel good to be close to her damn I literally do not even have words for that feeling of trust and closeness.

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[–] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I think we should make a tracha-lite (tracha but less chaotic/probably with a spray bottle to keep users like me contained). There's been at least a few people (4~ come to mind) I've seen and talked to who said normal tracha can be overwhelming or intimidating.

I know we talked about that a bit in the tracha mods chat, but figure that tossing the idea here would probably also help it not be drowned out by other chats (might make a post or idk later as well, idk)

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[–] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Many people are saying "up with trans"

flag-trans-pride

a-little-trolling

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[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

So I was a little worried that I wouldn't actually be happy after moving and that it was all just my own brainworms that I'd never be able to get rid of...

I was wrong. I'm actually feeling genuinely happier about life and at least somewhat hopeful about the future. I like the new job, new location is better than I imagined, and I'm making plans to start socializing IRL for the first time in ages. Everything seems to be going well and it kind of scares me a little, but I can't go through life just being worried all the time I suppose.

Also makes me happy that people are posting cute stuff in /c/cute :D I honestly wasn't sure people would be into it but at least some are. I need to keep finding new cute stuff to post to keep the cute train moving forward though.

[–] Beetle@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hanging out with fellow transmascs is so funny. Can’t really explain why so I’ll just leave it at that. (It was cool though)

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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (7 children)

another trans girl out at work. unlimited funny looks at my name tag

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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

oh FUCK me are my tits fucking tender now OWIE zelensky-pain

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[–] buh@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if any of the feds lurking this place had their egg cracked by the strong trans presence

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[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Suffering intensifies aubrey-pain Don't even know what the fuck is wrong with me anymore but whyyyyyyyyy. I don't have a brain that works right anymore. Really feels like my entire life collapsed at once. Not a good feeling.

Things I miss: interacting with people, not being in excruciating pain all the time, not having realised that I have several needs that run counter to eachother or are guaranteed to be painful for me. I hate.

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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

I preemptively unsubbed from all the major trans subreddits right before election night, and about 3 weeks later, i do not regret that decision in the slightest and am glad i saved my mental health from all the i-am-adolf-hitler posting

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (9 children)

How do you talk without your vocal chords deciding to randomly sound like they're sick for the next 24 hours sometimes

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[–] sweet_pecan@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

i had "lady" like not only are you misgendering me, i feel both old and condescended to too. a triple! why wont people stop. sob.

[–] Yukiko@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Putting stuff behind spoiler tags now for reasons.

CW: Surgical recoveryThis has been way rougher than I could have anticipated. I hurt. I hate laying in bed. I’m lonely. I’m constantly sore. It’s hard to do much more besides watch tv which is literally just every episode of 80s Price is Right. I genuinely don’t want to be on my mobile devices. I’m bored. I wanna paint minis. I wanna get on my PC. My caretaker yells at me (and rightfully so) every time I think of getting out of bed. Ugh. The next two weeks can’t go quickly enough. Oh and I also can’t sleep more than three hours at a time and I can’t remember what day of the week it is.

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[–] Ambii@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They weren't lying, this progesterone really do be making me eepy.

Also my hair is like, ridiculously soft suddenly. Like almost overnight, even my girlfriend noticed it. I'm definitely not imagining things and I haven't changed anything in my hair care. Idk where this came from but I'm very happy about it.

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Getting home from work and reading one piece in a miniskirt and heels just because

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[–] Eco@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

i love my wife ngl

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Why the fuck is women's clothing so cool.
And why the fuck was I born male, so it isn't the kind of clothing I wear.

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[–] Yukiko@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

CW: Talking about top/bottom surgery29 hours until I have to be at the hospital for my surgery. Losing my mind. Just as excited for this as I was for bottom surgery a couple years ago. Finally will get my lopsided tits fixed. Gods know I always wanted large breasts even before my egg cracked. They're big enough as is, but now they're going to be BEEG. Can't wait.

That being said, I'm also getting a minor revision to my bottom surgery. I'm looking forward to that because that, too, somehow got lopsided >w>

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[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago (11 children)
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[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I'm gonna be hanging out with a girl who activates my prey drive this weekend. We both wanna be chaste and wholesome. But still...

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[–] lilypad@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

::: spoiler ableist :america-cool: brained relative

Had a lovely celebration of family, but good lord my uncleinlaw was a fucker. First time meeting him, and he came with some ableist transphobic BS and didnt hear shit from other perspectives. Fucker goin on about freeze-peach in america and making r*-slur jokes, goddamn i almost forget what people are like, all my friends are some form of leftist, and like 85% are trans. Anyway just wanted to vent.

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