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Osceola was named Billy Powell at his birth in 1804 in the Upper Creek village of Talisi, which means "Old Town". The village site, now the city of Tallassee, Alabama, was located on the banks of the Tallapoosa River about 20 miles (32 km) upstream from Fort Toulouse where the Tallapoosa and the Coosa rivers meet to form the Alabama River. His mother was Polly Coppinger, a mixed-race Creek woman, and his father was most likely William Powell, a Scottish trader.

In 1814, after the Red Stick Muscogee Creeks were defeated by United States forces, Polly took Osceola and moved with other Muscogee refugees from Alabama to Florida, where they joined the Seminole. In adulthood, as part of the Seminole, Powell was given his name Osceola (/ˌɒsiːˈoʊlə/ or /ˌoʊseɪˈoʊlə/). This is an anglicized form of the Creek Vsse Yvholv (pronounced [asːi jahoːla]), a combination of vsse, the ceremonial black drink made from the yaupon holly, and yvholv, often translated "shouter" but referring specifically to the one who performs a special whoop at the Green Corn Ceremony or archaically to a tribal town officer responsible for offering the black drink.

In April 1818 during the First Seminole War, Osceola and his mother where living in Peter McQueen's village near the Econfina River, when it was attacked and destroyed by the Lower Creek allies of U.S. General Andrew Jackson that were led by William McIntosh. Many surviving Red Stick warriors and their families, including McQueen, retreated south into the Florida peninsula.

In 1821, the United States acquired Florida from Spain (see the Adams-Onis Treaty), and more European-American settlers started moving in, encroaching on the Seminoles' territory. After early military skirmishes and the signing of the 1823 Treaty of Moultrie Creek, by which the U.S. seized the northern Seminole lands, Osceola and his family moved with the Seminole deeper into the unpopulated wilds of central and southern Florida.

Through the 1820s and the turn of the decade, American settlers continued pressuring the US government to remove the Seminole from Florida to make way for their desired agricultural development. In 1832, a few Seminole chiefs signed the Treaty of Payne's Landing, by which they agreed to give up their Florida lands in exchange for lands west of the Mississippi River in Indian Territory. According to legend, Osceola stabbed the treaty with his knife.

Five of the most important Seminole chiefs, including Micanopy of the Alachua Seminole, did not agree to removal. In retaliation, the US Indian agent, Wiley Thompson, declared that those chiefs were deposed from their positions. As US relations with the Seminole deteriorated, Thompson forbade the sale of guns and ammunition to them. Osceola, a young warrior rising to prominence, resented this ban. He felt it equated the Seminole with slaves, who were forbidden by law to carry arms.

Thompson considered Osceola to be a friend and gave him a rifle. Osceola had a habit of barging into Thompson's office and shouting complaints at him. On one occasion Osceola quarreled with Thompson, who had the warrior locked up at Fort King for two nights until he agreed to be more respectful. In order to secure his release, Osceola agreed to sign the Treaty of Payne's Landing and to bring his followers into the fort. After his humiliating imprisonment, Osceola secretly prepared vengeance against Thompson.

On December 28, 1835, Osceola, with the same rifle Thompson gave him, killed the Indian agent. Osceola and his followers shot six others outside Fort King, while another group of Seminole ambushed and killed a column of US Army, more than 100 troops, who were marching from Fort Brooke to Fort King. Americans called this event the Dade Massacre. These nearly simultaneous attacks catalyzed the Second Seminole War with the United States.

In April 1836, Osceola led a band of warriors in an attempt to expel U.S. forces from Fort Cooper. The fortification was built on the west bank of Lake Holathikaha as an outpost for actions against the local Seminole population. Despite running low on food, the U.S. garrison had enough gunpowder and ammunition to keep the Seminoles from taking the fort before reinforcements arrived.

On October 21st, 1837, in what historian Thom Hatch called "one of the most disgraceful acts in U.S. military history", Osceola was captured after U.S. forces disingenuously agreed to meet under a white flag of truce. Osceola was arrested along with 81 of his followers. He died in prison a few months later, on January 30th, 1838.

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[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Is there like any thread/community for meta issues right now?
I ask because I see that PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS got banned earlier today, which I wouldn't have noticed if I wasn't looking at the modlog for other reasons. I get that not every ban deserves a thread, but permabanning a mod with 10k comments seems significant?

Also the random idpol in the ban reason is bizarre, like they're bi and non-binary but once they're banned it's just cracker? lol

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I'd like some more justification for this, it doesn't really seem clear, seems like the offending acts occurred in private so users can't see what happened and judge for themselves. What was the harmful rhetoric they were using? Is doubling down the same as defending your choice of words? Who cares that his banner is a modlog action that seems perfectly in line with the shitposting vibe of this site? Displaying general debate pervert behavior also doesn't seem banworthy that describes like half the site.

I think they've paid their dues and contributed a lot to the site, users deserve some more concrete justification

[-] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Basically PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS got into an argument on the modchat, and while it started off civil, it didn't really end that way. PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS might be unbanned if they self-crit, is generally what I'm hearing.

I've got some screenshots from the mod chat that basically show the whole situation, but I can't exactly get consent from the parties involved, so I'm redacting their names.

The modchat was discussing a comment that was reported, and AGAB terminology in general.

Around 20-30 messages went by, largely not touching on the issue of "he/hims", then:

And then there were about another ten messages, all talking about the messages screenshot-ted, but not really relevant to the argument. And then a reply:

From now on it's mostly just these two.

They both agree to disagree. But then they keep going.

The argument starts to go off the rails here, especially with those last two replies:

Another mod says this isn't a constructive argument. They don't seem to get a reply.

At this point other mods and admins start to step in, saying green is "basically concern trolling", and "You're literally arguing semantics.". It is at this point that purple leaves the mod chat. Green basically continues the argument with them for another few messages.

Yet more mods arrive, and agree that green was concern trolling, and ask for green to apologize. They refuse, saying:

Other mods say some more things.

Green does not like the things the other mods say.

At this point Green leaves the mod chat, and the remaining mods talk about what is to be done. Purple is going to be taking a relatively long break, and foucault got de-modded+perma'd. It might be changed to a temp ban so they can self-crit, but mods aren't exactly hopeful that'll happen.

One mod described this as "two users...self-destructing in one day". Other mods say that while Green's argument was technically correct, they still deserved the ban, especially considering previous history.

I left out some stuff, and tried to make it so you couldn't tell who was who, but it's kinda obvious.

Think of all this what you will, I didn't really get involved, and only heard about it after it all went down.

[-] FunkYankkkees@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Are the mod chatrooms of this website always this embarrassing?

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[-] Piment@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don't recall anything about the user's background, but a recent struggle session was about dunk culture being toxic because of cis het white men, and that really felt like "everyone who does something I don't like is a cis het white man" style bioessentialism.

Not weighing in on whether they deserved to be called a cracker or not, I only saw one message from them given they are not the "green" or "purple" mods to my understanding.

I really hope the mods don't do a repeat of the "he/hims aren't beating the allegations, so to speak", my impression was that categorizing users based on their pronouns was understood to be reactionary. Like it was said in the screenshot people do not identify as pronouns, I do not identify as a "they/them" and I hope I don't need to tell people to not refer to me as a "they/them", use they/them pronouns obviously, but don't call me a "they". Is this that hard to understand that it keeps on being discussed? Do people actually like being called a "he/him" or a "she/her" etc? And if you don't want to assume something to call them because someone who has "he/him" pronouns might not want to be called a man etc. then just ask the specific user what they want to be called.

Personally I hope Purple is demodded and has to reapply after doing some self crit, I don't have any confidence in Purple* as a mod after seeing "to deny a pattern with users with a certain set of pronouns is to deny reality"

At that point get rid of pronouns and refer to everyone as comrade, STOP grouping people based on their pronouns for the love of god, IT IS REACTIONARY

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[-] Wmill@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago

feral-hog yoooooo I've consumed my oats for a 7 day streak

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[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago

My teenage daughter has a girlfriend and that makes me happy in lots of ways. I'm obviously happy that she's found someone she likes. I'm also happy and relieved that it doesn't look like she is going to have to go through the same kind of struggle in that part of life as I had to. And I'm happy that society, for all it's flaws, has progressed so much after all that two girls can be dating without anyone but mean old boomers that nobody pays attention to anyways being weird about it.

[-] autism_2@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago

i love eating beige paste #hummus

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[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I have a whole essay I want to write about how my grandfather wanted me to administer his estate. He wanted us to distribute his liquid assets (and to liquidate his own personal assets) to distribute amongst his grandchildren—any investment assets he wanted to be either:

  1. Liquidated, if they were stocks and bonds or whatever.
  2. If they were homes for people, to be offered to the current occupants as at-market value, zero-interest, rent-to-own property. With credit for existing rent payments applied toward the home. Basically, giving them the house at current rent prices, to live in forever, and they own it eventually with no interest.

Anyway, I was a stupid asshole, and didn't realize just how wealthy or vindictive my extended family is. Their attorneys are in charge now, and as it turns out all the renters are now fucked, and I suddenly get zero dollars! Weird!

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[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago

New Megathread nerds amerikkka

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[-] Blockocheese@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

Went on another walk today! My anxiety was worse this time because I went later than before but it was still nice big-cool

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[-] CrispyFern@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

Nudist who gets embarrassed when people see them clothed

[-] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

in the united states, the most devoted followers of each supreme leader build a 'library' where propaganda and lies are produced for decades to make them appear saintly yeonmi-park

[-] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago

Fool me once, suck my dick

Fool me twice, fuck my ass

[-] Dingus_Khan@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago

Shout out to whoever it was on here that suggested using a hair trimmer to manage facial hair. I have given up on shaving and instead have permanent 5 o'clock shadow and a mustache, it rules

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[-] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago

when you're listening to some normie youtuber and the topic of the DPRK comes up: picard

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[-] President_Obama@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago

Phew there's a lot of new emotes on here.

doggirl-happy catgirl-happy

Why are there catgirls and doggirls and no -boys?????????????? HELLO?????!

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[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

my sociopath fucking piece of shit inheritor gamer manchild landlord went on a trip and took the fucking kitchen dish soap with him

anyone want to do murder for hire?

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[-] President_Obama@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Lot happened for me this year. Started uni, under my new name. Made aroace & agender friends. Came out. Started gender therapy.

bad shitAlso went through the worst months of my life, after I for the first time told someone about what I now recognise as childhood trauma. Suicide attempts, I'm doing worse self harm than ever (one week clean again tomorrow), diagnosed with trauma disorder. Have been in trauma therapy for half a year, and have 2 months or so of it left until insurance kicks me out.

But I've been more stable the past few months, and don't see my condition worsening, especially.not to the low point I was at during march/April. Excited for the future, becoming better friends with the people I know, and having new experiences.

Also, I have a squish (platonic, aroace crush) on this guy and maybe he likes me too... We went ice skating together. First time for me, and as soon as I stepped on the ice he offered to hold my hand (ofc accepted).

We did a lap like that, and then we arrived at the start where a guy he knows went "ohw, you two look so cute, I wish I still had my camera on me", with a casually homophobic tone. To which he replied that he'd smash the camera, and let go of my hand :(

Like yeah that was cute motherfucker and you ruined it. It was basically ~~yuri~~ yaoi on ice!

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

Daily reminder Goku could have used the Dragon Balls to restore the Twin Towers but he didn't goku-halal

[-] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

holy shit, the hamster stickers i ordered about 11 months ago back when i thought i was still cis just showed up in the mail today. I assumed I'd never see those things

[-] President_Obama@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Came out to my family 2 days ago, they were very accepting flag-aroace-pride hexbear-agender

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[-] weirddodgestratus@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

It kinda feels like this moment we're in right now is one the best we'll get for left wing agitation. Between the public reaction to Luigi and conservatives being mad about Trump/Elon pushing the H1B thing, there's a lot of common ground to work with. There's a thread on /r/Conservative right now where people are furious and disillusioned with Trump and Musk. It seems like a lot of these guys are one good, genuine, in-person conversation away from some degree of class consciousness. It's exciting but scary at the same time. There's a lot of pressure on genuine lefties to get our ideas across. I know a lot of these guys suck, but most of them share the same class interests as us and I think they can be made to see that. Idk. Interesting times ahead, that's for sure.

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[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

My niece got me a little plastic "World's Best Uncle" trophy. My cat likes batting it off the counter.

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[-] Wmill@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

My long term plan is to get my gut biomes evolved to the point they're like those gas station tape worms from futurama fry I'll keep giving them fiber and whole foods and hopefully they'll give me super powers down the line.

[-] jimmyjohnsilverhand2@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

World's richest brain genius, "more good posts please, less bad ones"

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[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

The problem with redditors is that they are hitler

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[-] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

I have something to confess. Spicy food has NEVER made my ass hurt. I can't even imagine what that feels like

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[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

Bit idea: spaghetti western themed restaurant, all the waiters speak a different language and are dubbed over. There is no other reference to spaghetti westerns otherwise.

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[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

its so funny how much of a baby he is

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[-] wombat@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

it is december 28 and stalin saved the world from fascism

[-] President_Obama@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Yesterday was the last femboy friday of the year 🥲

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[-] Blockocheese@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Just used color to describe something to a colorblind person and only realized after I hung up oooaaaaaaauhhh

[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

emilie->=3 maya-devious sicko-lea
me and the gals summoning the spiritual entity that once constituted Jimmy Carter to make him watch the entirety of Skibidi Toilet

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[-] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

search steam with the "simulation" tag, sorted by relevance

the first game is Balatro

gee I wonder why it's so hard to find games on steam thonk

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Elon gets so mad at the maga people he makes it a rule that every twitter space has to start with a land acknowledgement lathe-of-heaven

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Work homie says he makes the finest Chilli in town, he says he can make his vegan with little compromise. I say my vegsn Chilli is finest to be found across this great land. We are gonna have a Chilli contest to see who is once and for all pope of chillitown. Our panel of judges is gonna 3 white people and 3 phillipinos to keep the spice factor even. I've got home grown carolona reaper, they're peppers drying out, my chilli easily pushes 5 full alarms where his usually hits around 2.5 according to his own account. He uses a slow cooker I use a big giant pot. I'm sure he runs a fine game, but my chilli is second to none and I think I've got a secret weapon up my sleeve. I'm gonna roast some red peps and add that into the tomato sauce part and from there sorta make a vodka sauce (blanch onions and garlic and I think I'll add the reapers here, cook it down, deglaze with whiskey instead of vodka) an blend that mix into a 1/3 roasted red pep 2/3 tomato sauce. Then it's just about beanis and veggoes

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[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

I get there are some aspects of liberalism that are very performative (e.g. MLK day and Juneteenth as holidays but nothing changing otherwise), but my company chooses to purposefully exclude these from our non-working days while jacking off over veteran’s day and holding fundraisers for Trump

Seems like fascism is the rule when it comes to small business tbh

[-] blight@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

stuff I have anxiety

[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

Man how good is that feeling when you just woke up on your day off and you can just lie in bed and enjoy that groggy half-awake vibe instead of dragging yourself immediately to the surplus labour factory

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[-] RION@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

Continued sickness means I can skip out on meeting extended family dean-smile

I don't get to meet my uncle's new puppy dean-frown

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