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[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 138 points 1 week ago
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[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 90 points 1 week ago

You don't say, Nintendo. Pretty sure they're also using open source emulators, from the developers they really hate, to run their older titles.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

Idk their emulation is garbage except for the suspension and rewind. A lot of the open source emulation I have seen, especially of Nintendo products, is immaculate.

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[-] IceFoxX@lemm.ee 88 points 1 week ago

So the lawyer says that Nintendo, despite knowing that the emulators themselves are legal, has unlawfully caused take downs and reputational damage. Sounds kind of illegal

[-] egerlach@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

Not really. It sounds like they haven't gone after them for emulation, but instead for emulation-adjacent things: copying ROMs, circumventing digital locks, etc.

They explicitly mention (one of?) the developers of Yuzu sharing ROMs in the article.

In other words, the emulator itself isn't illegal, but in order to use the emulator the way most people want, you have to do illegal things, and that's what they go after you for.

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[-] g1ya777@lemmy.world 77 points 1 week ago
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[-] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The top IP lawyer at Nintendo agreed that emulators are technically legal at a panel for intellectual property rights.

They run afoul of the law when they bypass encryption, recreate copyrighted programs, or point users to pirated material.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, this wasn't an admission because it's a well-known fact that is not inconsistent with Nintendo's earlier actions. The headline is deceptive and people don't read the article. The article itself contains no new information and it is only worth reading for someone who has been deceived by the headline and needs to be set straight by the same people who wrote the deceptive headline. It's click bait that shouldn't exist.

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[-] kipo@lemm.ee 36 points 1 week ago

Repeal the DMCA. One of the worst pieces of legislation ever passed.

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[-] Matriks404@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago

There's nothing new in this article. And I don't think Nintendo ever said that emulation is illegal, just emulating their games is, which technically is true to some part at least in the United States, where sometimes you need to circumvent some security measures to get games emulated which is a forbidden (this is mentioned in the article).

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 37 points 1 week ago

emulation is only legal if you pay Nintendo to steal open-source code for their emulator as a service subscription

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[-] QubaXR@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Yea, if I recall correctly, the Yuzu team was sharing roms of latest Nintendo releases internally and Nintendo was able to prove it. At least Jeff Gerstman podcast suggested something to that accord when reporting on it.

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[-] Trilobite@lemm.ee 46 points 1 week ago

Nintendo lost my business long ago nothing they make or say will get me to buy another Nintendo product

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 week ago

Needless to say I will not be buying a Switch 2 today.

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago

I imagine the steam deck will be capable of emulating switch 2 titles nearly immediately, so there’s little reason to buy it. They really need to make their hardware comparable to their software (minus the notoriously awful Japan™ netcode)

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Emulating Switch 2 games on the Steam Deck would be a challenge. Even though it's on an outdated process node, I think it's fair to say it's in the same class of hardware as a Steam Deck (which is 3 years old at this point).

Deck 2, though...

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[-] mariusafa 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I prefer my nintendont 2 (aka steam deck). Fuck Nintendo bastards and taking down all cool emulator free software projects.

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[-] sma3in@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

we know emulation is legal, but we're still going to legally have a legal reason to take y'all emulators to court angry face

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

See also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation

Strategic lawsuits against public participation (also known as SLAPP suits or intimidation lawsuits), or strategic litigation against public participation, are lawsuits intended to censor, intimidate, and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition

There are many, many variants. The idea is the smaller player can't really afford to fight in court, so even if the larger actor has shaky legal claims they will still win.

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[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

So when they shut down Ryujinx and Yuzu, was it basically "Stop running this emulator or we will ruin your lives with legal bills"?

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[-] secret300 19 points 1 week ago

Nintendo needs to burn. The fact they can just shut down whatever they want is disgusting and needs to be stopped.

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[-] audaxdreik@pawb.social 19 points 1 week ago

With the Switch 2 announcement, it's kind of clear that they aren't even trying to be a tech company anymore. While not every last one of their consoles released was a true innovation, it did feel like something that was built into part of their brand. Now we just have the Switch 2 which is mostly what you'd expect with some decent QoL upgrades.

Nintendo is pursuing the walled garden approach. You're barely even buying a console anymore, a lot of this hardware has more or less converged. What you're buying is access to the cultivated ecosystem. Like everything else these days, they entice you in with the big, recognizable brands and hope there's enough else to keep you there. Emulators straight pierce that veil and it's why they went so hard on them.

I'm not criticizing (too heavily) the people that choose to hold on to the franchises they love, but once you step outside and choose alternatives, there's very little to bring you back. Pokemon lost me a few gens ago, honestly not the biggest Zelda fan, and Mario alone won't do it for me. Metroid and Starfox are scattershot ... Personally I'll stick with the Steam Deck and wait for Switch 2 emulation to roll around. And if it doesn't, there are just so many other games to play these days.

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

. You’re barely even buying a console anymore, a lot of this hardware has more or less converged. What you’re buying is access to the cultivated ecosystem.

Bingo. In an age where most people's phones have better hardware than the Switch, it's all about access to the walled garden instead of hardware.

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[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago

"please buy our new switch"

nah, i m good.

[-] jared@mander.xyz 14 points 1 week ago

Fuck Nintendo!!!

[-] Razzazzika@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

What bugs me is i thought it was cause of the switch 2 pending, but turns out the switch 2 won't be fully backwards compatible

[-] stooth64@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

The Switch 2 has a new hardware size and some software (like Labo and Ring Fit) has a physical component that is sized to the original Switch/Joy-Con. It could be referring to that.

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