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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 238 points 4 months ago (5 children)

That's $21 billion per bullet ROI.

[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 107 points 4 months ago (2 children)

We've never seen a better cost/benefit ratio

[–] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 36 points 4 months ago

That sounds like a treatment we should pre-approve of

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[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

And Luigis life, unfortunately.

[–] Loss@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

He'll be treated like a king in prison until he's killed by a bribed prison guard. And that's assuming the US itself lasts long enough to enforce his sentence.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I wonder what the odds are trump accidentally pardons him.

[–] Pieisawesome@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

0 his ceo friends will stop him

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[–] glimse@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

We're talking health insurance in the US so that doesn't change much. 3 bullets plus....20k?

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Not really a Return on Investment if there's no actual "return".

Their valuation decreased, but none of our wallets got fatter as a result. The price tag's number just changed.

This by itself doesn't really help anyone who's struggling. It's frustrating to see so much focus on a net worth number changing, as if that actually helps anyone.

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 137 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 108 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I get my news from memes, but I appreciate the source confirming it.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
  • Meme news.
  • Meme currency.
  • Meme political campaigns.
  • Meme advertising.

  • Meme reality, or: our current cyberpunk dystopia.
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[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 100 points 4 months ago (3 children)

“Brian helped build this company and forged deep, trusted relationships for over 20 years, and the positive impact he had on people will be felt for years to come,” Chief Financial Officer John Rex said.

Fuck right off

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 29 points 4 months ago

Maybe they could ressurect him and we can watch Luigi shoot him again.

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[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 71 points 4 months ago (6 children)

It’s simply not true that Canada’s health care costs less than $63 billion. The actual number is closing in on $400 billion ($372 billion for 2024).

And it also should be noted that there are severe problems with our health care system. Severe nursing shortages and very long wait times for a lot of critical care, long wait times to see specialists, etc.

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 80 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's per year, it's been less than 2 months since the event, the meme appears to be accurate in that way.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

Our healthcare only has those problems after alot of cuts. When it used to cost more, it also used that money more efficiently and effectively. The cuts made it far worse than the respective amount of money "saved", redistributed to worse projects is more accurate.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

US healthcare has all those problems and on average costs about twice what any other country spends on healthcare

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago

Costs patients that money. Real countries with real healthcare aren't bankrupting the citizenry by extracting wealth for healthcare, that's 'Murica, LLC.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

USian here. We have nursing shortages and long wait times as well, and the private equity fucks taking over our system are always looking for ways to make it worse for more money. One thing they've been pushing lately is trying to widen physician/patient ratios, so that doctors spend even less time with each patient.

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

And a lot of it is due to conservative meddling and wanting to privatize everything. Private clinics still receive public funding... and more of it than public hospitals! This is one reason why it is getting more fucked.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 59 points 4 months ago

Depose, deny, defend

Think deeply about the state monopoly on violence and what purpose it serves. Consider how non-violence has been used to cull and mitigate the effectiveness of movement politics since the civil rights movement, where a class of "liberal" white moderates gets to decide what is acceptable or unacceptable as protest, while they themselves have never and will never participate in any kind of meaningful involvement to increase the sphere of rights for all people. Understand why the grievance politics of the right have been so effective at splitting the white working class from other members of the working class, that the white working class is also abused and broken to the wheel of this system, even if their critisism of it are misplaced and ill informed.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago (1 children)

if they're not out of business, it's not enough of a loss.

completely unrelated but who's the new ceo just out of curiosity?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 47 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

Looking at that number made me think that it can’t be right unless the company has many customers (much more than Canada’s population) for it to make sense.

Looked it up, and they have 52 million customers.

So they make sooo much money from 52 million people that they have this amount to spare that would cover 40 million.

Yeah, holy shit.

Edit:

Honestly, they didn’t even lose that much:

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

That’s $1575USD for each Canadian at the rounded number of 40mil, or $2258CAD.

In 2022 we spent $8563CAD per Canadian, according to the first source I found. (https://www.cihi.ca/en/national-health-expenditure-trends-2022-snapshot)

Just crunching some numbers 🤷‍♂️

Edit: continuing crunching:

For their 56m customers, that’s $479.5B CAD, or $334.3B USD if they were to spend the same amount as Canada did in 2022.

Now to find out how much they’re profiting yearly compared to how much they’re spending to find out how (roughly) how much you’re being ripped off…

Edit: computing…

Wow. Apparently they increased profit by $340% from 2023 to $168.9 in 2024. (https://m.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/UNH/unitedhealth-group/gross-profit)

According to this source, operating costs are only in the hundreds of millions.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/622295/operating-costs-of-unitedhealth-group-by-type/

They only have numbers up to 2023 and I don’t want to have to go back and change my numbers. This is time consuming and I want to go do something else. :)

I can’t imagine operating costs rose by 340%. Someone else can finish the numbers, but my conclusion is: the situation is fucked up.

Edit: back in the morning to say, even if we said operating costs were $999 million (To keep my earlier statement accurate)(I don’t feel like finding the numbers again) and they rose 340% in the last year to 3B, that’s still $165.9 billion dollars that should be spent on health care that they’re pocketing.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 months ago

That's why private healthcare is so much more expensive than public healthcare. They constantly seek more and more profits.

Americans always say their taxes will go up if they get free healthcare and yeah, no shit it needs to be paid by someone. Overall though they will pay much less than whatever insurance they are currently paying for because there is no profit involved.

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[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 38 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Anyone else remember when the math came back and universal Healthcare would have saved the US like $11,000,000,000 every year or every 10 years or something.

Anyway, they chose not to do that because Citizens United made bribery legal. They did pass a republican Healthcare plan that didn't actually change anything. Just made it easier to pick who was gonna fuck you and how hard on a convenient website maintained by GovCo.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (3 children)

While everyone is understandably happy about this, I have to wonder if UHC's competitors gained value at the same time. Because I could absolutely see investors dumping UHC because of its reputation now but continuing to invest in insurance companies, just moving their money. Selling off UHC stock to buy Anthem stock.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Information like this is staggering when it hits you right in the face. And yet, millions of everyday people still empathize with billionaires and giant corporations as if they're just the guy next door on his way to work with his lunchbox, just tryin' to keep his pickup runnin'.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Unfortunately thats is nothing (tho it's 73bn I think).

The lower price is a bit in tune with the recent market overall (-13% vs the -5ish% of the market or whatever) and its still like over 12× higher than it was 20 years ago.

The saddest part is that what was Saint Luigi's effect on price was prob the market expectation that one of the megacorps subsidiaries might miss their claim-denial goals to keep up appearances & marketing.

Thats why I'm saying its the shareholders/capitalism that kills people, CEOs are just dogs with white collars that execute ~~people~~ business for their masters to appease the ever hungry money gods.

[–] DeathbringerThoctar@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I don't know if this is true, but I really hope it is.

[–] Hope@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago

I believe it's true in the sense that the market cap had decreased by an amount equal to what the Canadian healthcare expenditure was for that duration of time.

It's not true in that market cap isn't directly the company's money - it's just the sum of share values.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago

Same, what i can tell you is I really don't pay very much of my taxes to healthcare.

In fact, very little, because 1/3 of our municipal and provincial budget goes to the police 🙃

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago
[–] baggins@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 months ago

What a hero. He's so dreamy too 😍

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 9 points 4 months ago

500 of which is going to AI infrastructure...A.K.A automated police state to prevent any wrongthink.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Huge W. Let's keep this going!

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