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Cocaine "is no worse than whisky" and is only illegal because it comes from Latin America, said Colombian President Gustavo Petro during a live broadcast of a government meeting.

Colombia is the world's biggest cocaine producer and exporter, mainly to the United States and Europe, and has spent decades fighting against drug trafficking.

During a six-hour ministerial meeting -- broadcast live for the first time ever -- the leftist president said "cocaine is illegal because it is made in Latin America, not because it is worse than whisky."

"Scientists have analyzed this. Cocaine is no worse than whisky," he added, suggesting that the global cocaine industry could be "easily dismantled" if the drug were legalized worldwide.

"If you want peace, you have to dismantle the business (of drug trafficking)," he said. "It could easily be dismantled if they legalize cocaine in the world. It would be sold like wine."

Petro also pointed out that fentanyl "is killing Americans and it is not made in Colombia", referring to the opioid responsible for around 75,000 deaths in the United States a year, according to official data.

"Fentanyl was created as a pharmacy drug by North American multinationals" and those who consumed it "became addicted," he added.

Since coming to power in 2022, Petro has attempted to make peace with all of the armed groups that are fueled by drug trafficking in the hope of ending six decades of conflict.

Cocaine production in Colombia reached a record-high in 2023, jumping 53 percent to 2,600 tons, according to the UN Office on Drugs and Crime.

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Guys.

I wish we could talk about cocaine like we talk about beers and marijuana.

The Bolivian Cocaine Strain is the best tasting one in my opinion.

[–] guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone 62 points 1 week ago (7 children)
[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ketamine is less addictive than coffee, TIL

it is, but the graph is referring to pure caffeine, which (unless you crush up pills and do lines of it) is in minimal amounts in coffee

[–] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Just to add a note that this graph comes from a study made on rats. I love the study and i use this graph frequently when discussing drugs, but i think it's important to know.

Being done on rats also raises the point that it's done excluding a mental component of using the drug, like for instance how some people use cigarettes in depression for its antidepressant effect or use alcohol to cope with mental health issues.

It also doesn't explore the mental health effects of repeated exposure to large doses of hallucinogens on people, which we still don't have research on because of how demonized hallucinogens are in most countries doing research on drugs.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I've been doing an exhaustive study for the last couple of decades on the effects of whiskey on a human with mental health issues.

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[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Damn so when I say something like "in my opinion a joint is exactly the same as a cup of coffee" I'm wrong... because coffee is more likely to kill you than a joint

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It doesn't say that. The X axis is basically the inverse of how many times a "usefull dose" you need to take before you die. Or you can see it as "overdose potential".

It's basically impossible to overdose on cannabis, but really easy to overdose on heroin. Coffee is kinda weird, it's at 0.01, meaning you need 100 times the effective dose to die.

That's basically 100-300 cups of coffee, so if you're drinking just coffee you're going to kill yourself from just drinking the water in the coffee way before the caffeine in the coffee gets dangerous.

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[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 week ago (20 children)

He's right, we should legalize it. We've lost the war on drugs. Fully legalized cocaine would be dirt cheap and addicts with access to a safe, affordable supply could lead relatively normal, stable lives. The money earned in the drug trade would be taxable instead of supporting criminal or extremist groups, both at home and abroad.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

While I can admit drugs aren't "good" per se but I do think most* should be legalized. We should have harm reduction classes that can teach people how to use responsibly. And have clinics where addicts can go to try and get clean and can provide whatever drug they're addicted to in a safe environment. Also tax revenue.

But that would require empathy and an honest look at how other countries handle drugs much better than the U.S.

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[–] onlyoneIbought@r.nf 31 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I don't think any drug should be illegal. I hate cocain. He's right. Alcohol is fucking terrible

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah. I think DUI and other laws are generally good ideas. I don't care that much if someone wants to do coke, but I really don't want drunk drivers or people nodding off on heroin operating heavy machinery.

There also should be a lot more social programs to help people quit when they want to. And probably more honest education about how yes, even you can get addicted.

…but I really don't want drunk drivers or people nodding off on heroin operating heavy machinery.

That’s what the coke is for.

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[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It is legal to use, but only in tightly controlled medical use cases, because it is obviously very addictive. Columbia has built an economy around one export and are undermining the tight control of what the medical community knows is needed for such an addictive substance. Decriminalize the abuse of the drug and treat it as a medical condition.

Getting it into the hands of whoever wants it is just another way of being a pharmaceutical company but with extra Columbian steps.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I think every time we talk about specifically why a certain drug is illegal, we should be required to compare it against alcohol and the damage that comes from alcohol and explain why alcohol should be legal but this other drugs should not.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

It is legal to use, but only in tightly controlled medical use cases, because it is obviously very addictive.

No it isn't. I can walk into any bar in America and start guzzling the stuff up to my credit limit.

Oh wait. I'm sorry. You were talking about cocaine.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago

This reads like an Onion headline lmao

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (11 children)

i don't know enough about cocaine and want to learn.

setting aside the axe he has to grind and in the specific context of his comments about fentanyl and whisky, how accurate or inaccurate are his statements? what makes them so?

[–] Cptmurph616@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Going off memory, I think cocaine on its own really isn’t THAT bad as far as hard drugs go, but when combined with alcohol it metabolizes into “cocaethylene” which is highly toxic and basically shreds your heart.

And I’ve never met anyone that uses coke WITHOUT booze.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Anecdotally, cocaine seems to make its users into the worst versions of themselves. Alcohol can have negative effects (the “mean drunk”, drinking as disinhibition for impulsive antisocial behaviour, etc.) though the average drinker is generally not regarded as negatively as the average cokehead. I wonder how much of this is due to the substances’ intrinsic properties and how much due to cultural expectations.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I suspect a large part has to do with a selection bias. The people most likely to turn into a bad cokehead are also the people with the most access to it. Most people will never come into contact with cocaine, but they will come into contact with alcohol and likely consume it. The average person is more likely to become an alcoholic, while only certain segments are likely to even have the potential to become a coke addict and I'd bet on those segments being more likely to be harmful.

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[–] guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is cocaine legal in Colombia?

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

According to wikipedia, you can own up to a gram (1 or 2 doses, but like half a dose if you're the kind of person who doesn't need the internet to know that), and you can gift it and make your own. But you can't sell it...

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[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck yeah. I want to be able to buy cocaine as easily as I can buy whisky.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The monkey's paw curls its finger. Alcohol has been criminalised, and is now equally easy to buy as cocaine.

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[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Most drug harm experts think so:

Source

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

Shroomers don't harm others, how polite <3

[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

An important caveat though:

"The authors explain that one of the limitations of this study is that drug harms are functions of their availability and legal status in the UK, and so other cultures' control systems could yield different rankings."

Cocaine is still illegal, and by extension less available. I'm no expert, but I have to imagine that is affecting the rankings here significantly.

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