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[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 193 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (23 children)

This only works if you go to the green countries:

Edit: Source

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 93 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 63 points 1 month ago

What a chad move

[–] coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe 53 points 1 month ago (6 children)

What if I go to the gray countries? Do I despawn?

You can't go there until the next expansion.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 month ago

They have deathright citizenship. You automatically become a citizen if you die in their territory.

[–] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Green: unlimited birthright citizenship Red: Limited birthright Citizenship Gray: (At least from my own country, Switzerland): No birthright citizenship

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 month ago

It's pretty telling about how much Americans know about other countries that the assumption is that Jus Soli is the norm.

[–] Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 36 points 1 month ago

Chile would be good. It has a fairly strong passport, which I believe is stronger than the USA one in 2025 (before Trump), since it can still travel to the EU visa free.

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 17 points 1 month ago (4 children)
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[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 105 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Haha, that's not how it works outside the US.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago (2 children)

*for the most part.

Some places it does.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

TIL the rest of the Americas don't exist

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 95 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Doesn't work in most countries. Being stateless isn't very fun.

[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 46 points 1 month ago (6 children)

US citizenship comes from the mother, if born abroad. The baby would automatically be a US citizen, possibly have dual citizenship.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Most countries don't have birthright citizenship.

[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago

Yes, I’m just saying that the baby of a US woman would not be a stateless person if born in a country that doesn’t have it.

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 82 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Uh, very few countries have birthright only citizenship.

[–] placatedmayhem@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Here's the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#Unrestricted_jus_soli

If I'm counting correctly, 34 countries with unrestricted birthright citizenship, and 40 with restricted.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 72 points 1 month ago (11 children)

That isn’t the plan you think it is. The US is an outlier in terms of granting birthright citizenship. Most countries - and particularly, most developed countries - do not do this.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 71 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Americans posting memes against American Imperialism, while simultaneously having an American-Centric worldview about the world in regards to citizenship.

Ironic.

(No offense to OP 😉)

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[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago

Well your kid won't get citizenship, but you'll be able to afford to birth them.

[–] whome@discuss.tchncs.de 60 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is birth citizenship that common? Won't work here in Germany for example...

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Literally zero European countries do it. It seems to be in the Americas only, and Chad and Tanzania. The concept that this is some human right apparently only applies to he US.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah that's because we had a whole thing of people claiming that people born enslaved weren't citizens or eligible to vote

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[–] remon@ani.social 46 points 1 month ago

No need to go overseas, almost all countries with birthright citizenship are in the Americas.

[–] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 28 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Don't choose Germany, though, we (and a lot of nations, actually) still for some reason have citizenship-by-blood/heritage laws more or less straight out of the 19th century, not citizenship-by-birthplace laws.

[–] BurnoutDV@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (10 children)

As a German myself I would like to here some arguments why citizen by the place you happen to be at birth is better?

[–] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Basically: Resident enfranchisement. It's weird, when people born in our country and having lived here their whole life can't vote outside of local elections. My own father, for example, had a Dutch background, and was never allowed to vote in federal elections until his death. (Neither he nor I even spoke/speak a single phrase of Dutch)

Yes, things have gotten somewhat better and easier with applications for citizenship, but that there are hurdles like that to begin with, is a bit.... weird.

[–] syklemil@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the way things work in Norway and I expect in most other European countries is that you don't get a citizenship for just being born here, but if you're born and raised here, then by the time you're of school age you'd have lived here long enough to become a citizen, and unless your parents isolated you, you shouldn't have any problems with language requirements.

Basically the system here is "stay here for long enough and make a bit of effort for integration and sure you can become a citizen".

Of course, the far right loves to portray this as "unrestricted immigration" and make it harder for people to do that, or even live normally, get education and services for their kids, etc. And then complain when the result is people who feel that the system isn't working for them, or who have trouble because they're uneducated and poorly integrated anywhere.

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[–] aleats@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Both jus soli (citizenship by birth) and jus sanguinis (citizenship by blood) exist more for historical reasons than because one is better than the other. Both are simply a way to try and make citizenship a more clear-cut thing, because it's as close to being a made-up thing as you can get, especially in cases such as parents having a different nationality to the child (which is even more confusing when both parents are of different nationalities).

Jus soli is more common in the Americas due to various factors, including an incentive towards immigration from richer countries during colonial times and the various movements towards emancipation of the enslaved peoples a few centuries later, but the fact remains that neither system is any more arbitrary than the other. Jus soli is often favored because it simplifies things like immigration and asylum seeking and reduces statelessness, which is still a significant issue that affects millions of people worldwide, mostly around war-torn areas.

As mentioned in another response, enfranchisement is also a very important issue that jus soli resolves, although a significant part of it is also due to other, unrelated citizenship laws that may not necessarily conflict with jus sanguinis.

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[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 month ago

No European country has unrestricted jus soli for nationality. Ireland was the last one to restrict nationality by-soil to children of long term legal residents, which is the same as Germany.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The better term might be "abroad", rather than "overseas". Because Jus Soli is a concept that exists mostly in the Americas. So you'd better not cross over the Atlantic or Pacific sea for this plan.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Imagine US citizens flying abroad to have anchor babies.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 19 points 1 month ago

And failing at it because most other countries don't have birthright citizenship 😂

[–] Corigan@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Also airlines won't let a pregnant woman travel at that point

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

It's a good era in which to not have children. Expect a lot of forsaken children.

Also expect some coerced birthing programs such as the Leibensborn program (which was also an excuse to recruit young women as sex slaves for the Schutzstaffel ) and the offspring were supported by the state and raised by the single mothers.

This is the program that inspired the Handmaid program in Margaret Atwood's Gilead, in A Handmaid's Tale

And J. D. Vance is super thirsty for it, as is countless other Freedom caucus and MAGA Republican officials.

ETA That said, it might be a good time to get sterilized and commit to not having kids. (That doesn't mean you won't have chances to parent)

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[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

We don't recognize birthright citizenship. You'll have to fill in the paperwork like everyone else.

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Ireland: Proof of residency for 3 out of the last 4 years before the child gets an Irish passport. It's enough to present utility bills or paychecks for that period. I did it, and my kids only have Irish passports (even though they'd be entitled to both) until they are old enough to make their own decision in this matter. Or Trump decides to expand his golf course to the entire island.

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