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The public's political imagination is not shaped by the discourse of the public officials. It is something that falls from the heavens. That's why we must always chase after the "moderates"* rather than trying to shift the conversation in our favor.
*we did not conduct a poll to find the "moderate" opinion, we just made it up.
*we did not conduct a poll to find the "moderate" opinion, we just made it up.
Chuck Schumer conducted a poll (sample size: his 2 imaginary friends).
When I think through political questions, I also consult the two voices inside my head (Lenin and Mao)
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Why even try a Rainbow Coalition when you could forever chase the End Of The Rainbow constituency. You're bound to get there eventually.
Don't let them forget that moderate now means "I support Luigi shooting CEOs in the street".
Their conception of a "moderate" is a caricature they invent solely for the purposes of the political outcomes they want. It is a mirage.
Spot on.
It's the couple conjured up by the hernia in Schumer's brain caused by forty years of mental gymnastics.
Medicare for all. Shooting CEOs. Protecting social security. All bi-partisan moderate opinions.___
We have to fight this caricature. It's a puppet by which everyone measures themselves against.
In fighting game design you have an archetypal character that is used to deem the "middle" balance, this character is the character that undergoes very little change throughout the future of the game and all other characters are instead balanced around them. In Smash Bros it's Mario. In Street Fighter it's Ryu. Etc etc.
If you smash this archetypal character the liberals have created, this mirage that does not exist, then the field of ideology opens up completely.
The far right did their whole "What is a woman?" shtick when attacking trans people partially because they had already successfully used it in reinventing "centrism" as a caricature they slotted themselves into in order to lurch political views rightwards. We should be arguing about what a moderate really is and whether it even exists, and what views are genuinely popular that these people leave out of their mirages, the "centrist" that the right wing uses or the "moderate" that the liberal uses are diversions from what is real.
Creating consciousness of what is real and that these caricatures are not will create real class consciousness. They are idols that false consciousness is constructed around.
we need some of the center right voters
Worked out great for Kamala, clearly the problem was she didn't have ENOUGH neocon war criminals of the not too distant past endorsing her
They need to get GW on board, maybe Condoleezza Rice
Hell, dig up Rumsfeld and Powell, puppeteer those fuckers around like it's Weekend at Bernie's, why even pretend to be anything other than a bunch of craven, elitist ghouls who would sell their souls down the river for a nickle
Such sniveling loser energy "our opponent is winning so if we do what they do we'll win" great strategy fuckface
Such sniveling loser energy "our opponent is winning so if we do what they do we'll win" great strategy fuckface
It's unironically about to work in Canada later this month. But Canadians are even more spineless than Americans when it comes to politics, so that's not a surprise.
I agree, I think cheering for the murder of healthcare ceos should be the moderate position.
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The kind of "Good Trouble" John Louis got up to was sitting around in white spaces so they would call the cops on them and force them out, while getting beaten and arrested.
Cory Booker's revolutionary act was pissing himself for a job interview.
Invigorated, inspired, proud!! Not only is it that this fillibuster/our leaders are fighting back, He’s absolutely about destroying a shameful record made by s.thurmond whose intent was as racist as it was evil.
This person tagged themselves as "Far Left".
This person tagged themselves as "Far Left"
Ugh, i just know this person subscribes to horseshoe theory
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I feel like this is entirely him trying to establish his credentials among Democrats for having "fought Trump" when he runs again without actually risking disruption to any of the regime's policies that he broadly agrees with in substance and wants to inherit.
It's a job interview that he knows will run and run on MSNBC.
for having "fought Trump"
How dare you.
For "standing up to Trump"
This is the kind of thing I was talking about in my "What do you want them to DO" post.
I'm thrilled and I hope he can keep going and break the record. And I hope bits and pieces get airplay EVERYWHERE.
Being completely ignorant of actual politics is one (almost expected) thing, but how does one become a mega-lib obsessively posting about MSNBC Dem obsessions who also doesn't understand how partisan media works?
If we give this an extremely charitable reading, it could be an event that catalyzes additional action and inspires the Democrats to get off the benches, but I don't know how likely that is. I'll admit I have zero clue what the content of the speech actually was or if this has changed the rhetoric among Booker's colleagues.
Because there was nothing at the core of the protest (why not filibuster the budget bill, Corey? Take a stand, cause a shutdown, actually create problems for people? Probably because you wouldn't have had any support from the rest of the Senate dems and wouldn't be able to take any breaks), I'm not sure it gives anyone anything to rally around. What are people finding inspiring here and what are they feeling inspired to do?
What are people finding inspiring here and what are they feeling inspired to do?
I've yet to read a comment that answers these questions.
Yeah, most I've seen so far is "You wanted Dems to do something, well this is something!"
Yup, just lib smugness all the way down without a drop of substance
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I'll admit I have zero clue what the content of the speech actually was
the content doesn't matter it's all aesthetics
It's to early for this level of psychic damage
This whole is thing is beyond pathetic. I'm almost at the point that I think Americans deserve what's coming to them
I'm not sure what would awaken the American people from their slumber. It would likely have to be so transparent, so blatant, so obvious a betrayal, in order for it to penetrate their dreamland, that it would be too late.
building 7 just did that, passports literally fell out the sky, and Americans sent their kids to curb stomp children in Afghanistan over it
The CDC let more than a million Americans die of COVID and Americans were still asking for the extremely lax measures that the state had taken to end so they could watch superhero movies in theaters again.
Yeah and that level of ignorance is kind of on you. So do I have to feel bad for you? I don't think so and I don't.
This feels hostile towards me specifically, and I'm unsure if that's your intention.
Lol. Not at all. And not sure how it came off like that.
What I mean is that Americans are extremely ignorant about the way their system works. And they don't really have an excuse. Information is out there and available. But they are willing to hate every poc, every non cis person etc. due to their ignorance and it's going to screw them over because while they focus on that the ruling class accumulates wealth. So I am reaching the point where don't feel bad for what's coming to Americans. I can't
And the fact they are excited by completely substanceless acts of resistance like this speech. It's pathetic. Americans are pathetic
And not sure how it came off like that.
Second person callouts when talking about a third party are still read as second person callouts.
I guess it needed quotation marks ?
If you had used "them" it would have been more clear.
"Yeah and that level of ignorance is kind of on them. So do I have to feel bad for them? I don't think so and I don't."
"Information is out there" is really missing the point of like, the entire system surrounding how people find and learn information. How the fuck are they going to know what's Real information and what's just made up bullshit?
Part of why everything is so turbo fucked is because there is no authority, there is no "factual" information, and everybody is on some level aware of that but the best they can do is seek out information sources that sound factual, even if they're not, and generally as a result just find new ways to reinforce their pre existing biases
Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.
It's not impossible for me though because i'm just built different
Yeah I know this but I'm also less forgiving of people falling for propaganda now. Maybe I'm just mentally exhausted.
Like with my friends when capitalism comes up and they say the problem is late stage capitalism and not capitalism... Like give me a break. This is not a serious discussion. Climate change is the result of capitalism. A human extinction level threat is because of capitalism and we're still debating whether capitalism is the correct system. And this is just one example. On the relevant topic, the Dems actions have directly led to the current political environment in the US. How are people still praising them for a nothing act. Give me a break. I'm not a misanthrope. I don't believe humanity is inherently evil or destined for failure. That's liberal talk but it is super frustrating when capital has such complete control of the information and narrative and people don't have slightest mental pushback. In the case of Booker's speech the only response should be to tell Democrats to fuck off. Start a third party and if you can't get power take solace in the fact that the Republicans will take apart the American genocide machine due to their insatiable greed.
Lol. Not at all. And not sure how it came off like that.
Ok good, 
, I think it was just the usage of "you" heh, my brain wasn't reading it as a broader usage of "you".
But I agree. I don't think our institutions do anything to instill continued learning or an instinct to do more in-depth investigations in people. They also set the bar so fucking low that I'm sure many people wouldn't even know what to look up because they lack the vocabulary to do so. Total lack of any real civics courses that don't simply have you perform rote memorization of the structures of the US federal government. That's all by design, though, and that's not some conspiracy either. Quoting Roger A. Freeman, former adviser to President Nixon and then adviser to Ronald Reagan as Governor of California:
We are in danger of producing an educated proletariat. That's dynamite! We have to be selective on who we allow to go through [the higher education system.] If not we will have a large number of highly trained and unemployed people. That's what happened in Germany. I saw it happen.
An educated working class, is a dangerous working class.
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I have friends who are mad at me and will probably avoid socializing with me because I said he wasn't doing anything but wasting time and money if his speech isn't followed up by anything actionable. My comments about him apparently are undermining activists too.
That's the second time I've hurt a friendship by criticizing a Democrat senator in the last year. Never mattered to them when it was Republicans I was criticizing.
The US deserves everything coming to it.
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Americans as a whole aren't proactive. We are reactive. We wait until the thing happens and then use it as an excuse to consolidate power. Police don't prevent crime, they punish it. Politicians never head off an upcoming problem, they just stand back and fundraise. Parents don't often lead by example or teach good manners in a positive way, they react and punish bad behavior.
Rewards are a buy off and not a proper "attaboy". Sometimes rewards are just to get people to shut the fuck up
The amount of ass kissing on Reddit about this completely fucking empty gesture has just been so predictable. It sucks so bad.
It wasn't even a filibuster! IT WASN'T EVEN A FILIBUSTER. HE WASN'T HOLDING UP ANYTHING.
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