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[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (14 children)

In the interest of maintaining some standard of evidence-based information, here is a source with more journalistic integrity than a bluesky screen cap:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/los-angeles-schools-leader-explains-why-he-refused-to-let-dhs-agents-see-students

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Well the post body does include an abc7 video report. But thanks for additional sources.

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[–] Heikki@lemm.ee 48 points 2 days ago

Remember everyone. Due processes is there to determine if the activity is criminal. You are not a criminal until you have been convicted.

Saying anyone does not deserve due process bc they are a criminal is factually wrong

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 91 points 2 days ago

In Annecy, Frnace, there's a plaque on one of the elementary schools where Jewish kids were forcibly removed from class by the ss and taken away. Same shit's starting to happen in America now.

Kill the fascists, disrupt their plans. Fuck them.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 52 points 2 days ago

You know what can turn a normal parent into a "dOMestIC tERroRIst"?... fucking with their kids

[–] dwalin@lemmy.world 59 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I wonder how a person wakes up one day and says to him/herself: i want to kidnap children when i grow up

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil." ~ Hannah Arendt

[–] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I still don't know what to make of her views on nazis given the fact she had a lifelong romantic relationship with the one who ejected her and other Jews from her university.

Did Heidegger not also possess this "banality of evil"? Or was he somehow an acception?

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The romantic choices of many of us between the ages of 18-21 (her age during their actual affair) probably don't bear scrutiny.

An ex who later became a nazi (and then recanted) is probably an excellent example of how quotidian these kinds of evils can be.

She was only human and some of her views are problematic, but I don't think it's a case of contagion.

[–] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The romantic choices of many of us between the ages of 18-21 (her age during their actual affair) probably don't bear scrutiny.

I'm not scrutinizing her for any choices between 18 and 21.

This was a lifelong relationship, Hannah herself reached out and continued writing letters in his defense from the 1950s to her death.

An ex who later became a nazi (and then recanted) is probably an excellent example of how quotidian these kinds of evils can be.

Ex? No.

Recanted? They denied he had any nazi sympathy and claimed it was all a mistake

Later, in a 1969 birthday tribute essay “Martin Heidegger at Eighty,” Arendt penned what has generally been taken as an exoneration of Heidegger. In it, she “compared Heidegger to Thales,” writes Gordon, “the ancient philosopher who grew so absorbed in contemplating the heavens that he stumbled into the well at his feet.”

This was the accepted view of Heidegger until 2014 when the black notebooks came out

But major Heidegger scholars have responded in a variety of ways—including resigning a chairship of the Martin Heidegger Society—that suggest the worst. According to Daily Nous, a website about the philosophy profession, when Günter Figal resigned his position in January as chair of the Martin Heidegger Society, he said:

As chairman of a society, which is named after a person, one is in certain way a representative of that person. After reading the Schwarze Hefte [Black Notebooks], especially the antisemitic passages, I do not wish to be such a representative any longer. These statements have not only shocked me, but have turned me around to such an extent that it has become difficult to be a co-representative of this.

Hannah defends him as just so focused on high philosophy he never noticed the antisemitism

Recalls Adam Kirsch in the Times:

The seal was set on his absolution by Hannah Arendt, in a birthday address broadcast on West German radio. Heidegger’s Nazism, she explained, was an “escapade,” a mistake, which happened only because the thinker naïvely “succumbed to the temptation … to ‘intervene’ in the world of human affairs.” The moral to be drawn from the Heidegger case was that “the thinking ‘I’ is entirely different from the self of consciousness,” so that Heidegger’s thought cannot be contaminated by the actions of the mere man.

https://www.openculture.com/2015/03/martin-heideggers-black-notebooks-reveal-the-depth-of-anti-semitism.html

but I don't think it's a case of contagion.

Modern scholars seem to say otherwise

In a long, carefully documented essay, Wasserstein (who’s now at the University of Chicago), cites Arendt’s scandalous use of quotes from anti-Semitic and Nazi “authorities” on Jews in her Totalitarianism book.

Wasserstein concludes that her use of these sources was “more than a methodological error: it was symptomatic of a perverse world-view contaminated by over-exposure to the discourse of collective contempt and stigmatization that formed the object of her study”—that object being anti-Semitism. In other words, he contends, Arendt internalized the values of the anti-Semitic literature she read in her study of anti-Semitism, at least to a certain extent

https://slate.com/human-interest/2009/10/troubling-new-revelations-about-arendt-and-heidegger.html

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

And are these your own views too? I thought you said you didn't know what to make of her.

I have to admit I'm not particularly invested in this issue, but I do think it's a gross mischaracterisation to say the letters post relationship somehow constitute an ongoing affair. They quite obviously don't.

Heidegger was an antisemitic Nazi and the black notebooks prove there was a lot more to that than he pretended after he publicly recanted. As far as I'm aware historians have not found any evidence that Arendt was any more aware of the content of the notebooks than anyone else was.

I agree Arendt's work is flawed as I noted above.

When I quoted her, my intention was simply to communicate that specific idea, with which I agree - not to evoke her as if she were some kind of infallible god.

I'm not in favour of abandoning the concepts of ideology and interpellation because Althusser murdered his wife, similarly I'm not going to abandon the concept of the banality of evil because Arendt was deluded about a creepy professor she had an affair with.

[–] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

And are these your own views too? I thought you said you didn't know what to make of her.

Oh I get that comes across weird, I'm looking all this stuff up as you're challenging me on it and what I'm finding is starting to solidify my views a bit more.

I have to admit I'm not particularly invested in this issue, but I do think it's a gross mischaracterisation to say the letters post relationship somehow constitute an ongoing affair. They quite obviously don't.

That doesn't seem as obvious to the New Yorker

In 1950, seventeen years after they had last communicated, Arendt and Heidegger met again, when she went to Germany to help track down stolen Jewish cultural treasures. At times, she had been publicly critical of Heidegger’s behavior during his rectorship and afterward, but the renewal of their ties banished all her suspicions. “This evening and this morning are the confirmation of an entire life,” she wrote to him after their meeting. For the next two years, their love enjoyed a brief afterlife, as Heidegger wrote poems about her and told her things like “I wish I could run the five-fingered comb through your frizzy hair.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/01/12/beware-of-pity-Hannah-Arendt

(The author betrays a very obvious bias about what we're supposed to take away to be fair)

When I quoted her, my intention was simply to communicate that specific idea, with which I agree - not to evoke her as if she were some kind of infallible god.

Yeah I'm with you there.

As far as I'm aware historians have not found any evidence that Arendt was any more aware of the content of the notebooks than anyone else was.

That I'm not sure.

I don't think I really know enough to have a right to that strong a view when the historical record seems to be changing so recently and most of her letters are lost whole she kept all of Heideggers, but what I'm finding is a bit troubling tbh.

For over half a century she was considered the best source of insight into Eichmann and Nazi psychology.

With new knowledge about her conflict of interest and defence of Heidegger I'm left wondering how much of an expert she should be considered.

It seems from the evidence, Heidegger was a willing and complicit Nazi who wrote about genuinely antisemetic views. In that light, Hannah's defence of him is surprising.

I'm unsure of what go make of her psychological evaluation capabilities if she had such a glaring blindspot here.

I'm not in favour of abandoning the concepts of ideology and interpretation because Althusser murdered his wife, similarly I'm not going to abandon the concept of the banality of evil because Arendt was deluded about a creepy professor she had an affair with.

Right, neither am I.

That's why I didn't abandon it and instead said I am unsure what to make of it.

I'm not trying to come to a black or white conclusion, I think this is a complicated subject.

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Ah, I think I understand you better now. It's an interesting conversation.

To me, that quote from the New Yorker about combing her hair etc supports my view that this was likely some sort of personal issue involving an idealisation of her ex as a person.

considered the best source of insight into Eichmann and Nazi psychology.

I suppose I've never regarded her in that light.

She's a philosopher: she articulates some key concepts that are valuable, but a) philosophers hypothesizing like that isn't exactly social science and b) I tend to see the Holocaust in the broader historical contexts of genocide and imperialism. Through that lens, Nazi psychology loses its central importance as some sort of unique phenomenon because it isn't really much different from most of the other genocidal regimes that predate it.

This probably sounds like sacrilege in some quarters (Elie Weissel) but to me the usefullness of Arendt lies in what is generalisable, even if that was in itself rooted in material and historical specificity.

ideology and interpretation

Sorry for the typo. I meant interpellation!

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[–] Pollo_Jack@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Elites stealing children for their adrenochrome where are those chicken shit little conspiracy cunts when we could use them.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 10 points 1 day ago

Stephen Miller is probably even more evil than TACO Don.

Test run? You’re there already

[–] Brutticus@midwest.social 12 points 1 day ago

ICE aren't human. Just kill em

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 129 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Can't help wondering how many stone cold rapists and paedophiles are out there pretending to be ICE and kidnapping people.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Perfect opportunity for them. Even worse are organized hate groups like KKK and friends

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Ted Bundy pretended to be a detective to try to lure at least one girl, but thankfully she escaped. How many others weren't that lucky?

We might see a brief resurgence in serial killers if they start to realize this is a valid tactic, and this shit will get ICE agents shot because many people carry guns specifically for over the top scenarios like these.

I sure as hell would start shooting. In Canada, if someone was actually trying to kidnap someone like that and the victim fired back, their shooting would be justified. They would still go to jail for years for illegally carrying a gun but the actual shooting would be justified. There is precedent for this in Canadian law.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 83 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There's gonna be videos of ice shooting children by the time this is all over

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They'll run into a classroom where kids are drawing, and claim they feared for their lives, because the pens could be used to harm them.

Then they'll get 2-6 weeks paid leave, and be promoted when they get back.

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 175 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

IIRC, that happened a few months ago, not now. A lot of schools are out for the summer already anyway. School staff did a great job of making the feds fuck off.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 88 points 3 days ago (8 children)

If my kids’ school ever handed them over to the feds I’d burn the fucker down myself.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 94 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Now imagine how the parents of Uvalde felt. Police showed up, and not only did nothing, but actively prevented OTHER parents, who were showing up to storm the grounds to shoot the shooter themselves. But the police protected the shooter, causing the deaths of more kids. If memory serves me right, 12 kids had died before parents showed up. And something like 37 died by days end.

Meaning, even if the police did nothing, and allowed the parents to go through, parents would have shot the shooter and saved 25 more kids.

Imagine knowing your kid is dead because police were afraid.

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 27 points 2 days ago (17 children)
[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Rumor has it that might need to be amended to "agree to electronic voting, expect fraud"

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

I generally agree, evoting mostly solves a nonexistent problem.

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[–] Poppa_Mo@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago (11 children)

This would make me go nuclear.

Kidnapping our kids?

You want a primal reaction? This will fast track it.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is this what "saving the children" look like?

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[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 74 points 2 days ago (6 children)
[–] sudoshakes@reddthat.com 51 points 2 days ago (3 children)

You should train how to use a gun

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 57 points 2 days ago

"Test run"? When the fuck do people get that this is real?

[–] Sandbag@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Does anyone have a source for this?

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