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When meetings are held between people from half a dozen countries spread over three continents, none of whom are speaking their native language and all using uncommon product and project names, then AI summaries are occasionally hilarious and nearly always wildly incorrect.
The big waste of resources is not the 25 separate connections to a high-bandwidth video call. That's kind of minor. The big waste is these 25 bots running separate LLM queries each.
We really need to just start sending texts.
Where do y'all even get these memes from
I'm gonna save it for future purposes
Just a update on this
I had the same thought! "Isn't that what happened in Real Genius?!"
The real kicker in that was when He came in the and professor was replaced by a recording.
Thanks, I was trying to think of what movie that was from.
TIL "frightningly efficient" == wasting kilowatts of power on something that could've been five paragraphs of text...
This apocalypse could have been an email.
This could be a tshirt
hold on my AI assiststant is taking notes on that
Why even have more than one note taker? Just have one and send the mail to everyone or write the mail yourself for gods sake
So we can waste more resources
My work uses one ai summerizer for all attendees that gets sent out with the recording.
Giving people their own is just stupid.
If I were running an AI, and I saw 25 people each pointing their note taking bots at the same webinar, I'd have it do the work once, and send it to each of them.
There is no reason to think that each of these 25 note taking bots is working separately and simultaneously on the exact same task.
I honestly don't know how this works. If it's a built in feature of the platform, sure. If it's a bot that's independent and from the view of the platform just another user that saves the notes locally, it might not even be easy to exchange the notes afterwards if they recognize each other and are the same (there might be different bots for the same task, as I said, I don't know)
I like to have a group of people forced to listen to me. Makes me feel a little better about myself for a few minutes.
My niece talks to her stuffed animals. Maybe that's an option?
My organization and most of the other orgs I work with have all banned AI note takers in meetings. We either don't let them in or boot them at the beginning. Some of the people who send them, I haven't seen them actually show up to a meeting in months.
Really? Ours just ok'd the use of them with external client meetings and have been using them internally for a year. I do not use it, but everyone else does because "it's the future, you'll get left behind!" Everyday, I feel like im taking the crazy pills.
The funny thing is that if a person can replace themself with an incompetent AI bot for your meeting, maybe your meeting was a giant waste of time!
In other words, yes this use of AI is absurd, but so was the meeting itself. Well hey, I guess manglement will always love up to its name.
The person said this is a webinar, which probably means attendance is optional…
I mean, one person or a few replaced by bots could be a lack of professionalism on the attendees' part. All of them? You suck and nobody has time for your bullshit.
It makes sense to me. Different people might need to get different things out of the meeting.
Sometimes at work I'll need one piece of information, but it's contained in a thirty minute presentation. Or I might not know how much information I need, so I'll start with a summary. If that's not enough, I'll watch a recording of the presentation.
If I were the speaker in a call of 25 note taking bots I would constantly make references to "this" and "that" and to things that I point to on screen.
"As you can clearly see in this section of the diagram we can continue to make further improvements here, here and here."
and end with:
"If you would like to reach out, my contact info is on the screen now. Goodbye. Thanks to all who attended!"
I'd like to see the AI summary of the transcription also!
You don't even need that, they're perfectly capable of fucking up on their own.
There probably arent even any "participants" behind those bots. The AI companies have exhausted all the written content on the internet, so now they are scraping video and audio data. I wouldnt be surprised if that is exactly what those bots are doing. Either thats their primary job, or their secondary job that the actual participants dont even know about.
jesus christ alexandre why don’t you grow a fucking sack and boot anyone who “shows up” like this.
Because their entire job likely is selling these kinds of "solutions" to people
Yeah but think of the potential money the Ai company de jure made while guzzling more water than Ai fanboys guzzle corporates sloppy seconds.
Sorta just sounds like you can probably fire a few employees who don't give a fuck.
From experience, a lot of companies tend to be propped up by like 10% of their developers doing 90% of the work, maybe 50% of developers doing the last 10%, and then like 40% of developers either doing fuck all or actively harming the codebases and making more work for the other 60%.
And more often than not, these people are the ones sending stuff like "AI Note Takers" merely to give the illusion of existing.
In reality you have like three devs who actually care and do most of the work having a discussion and like 10 to 30 AFK participants with their cameras off who probably arent even listening or care.
And the thing is, it shows later. The same devs have zero clue wtf is going on, they have zero clue how to do their job, and they constantly get their code sent back or they plague up some codebase that doesnt have reviewers to catch them.
The AI note takers are just the new version of people showing up to meetings with their camera off and never speaking a word.
Except now they burn orders of magitude more power to do it, which is awful.
From experience, a lot of companies tend to be propped up by like 10% of their developers doing 90% of the work, maybe 50% of developers doing the last 10%, and then like 40% of developers either doing fuck all or actively harming the codebases and making more work for the other 60%.
Hello, how do I join the 40%?
I want to coast for a while
In my experience, those three groups are really just the three stages of burnout
agree on everything except I hate turning my camera on, fuck that
I don't even know why we talk with other people in companies anymore. We can't send emails because people don't read them. So we are drowning in calls where we include the whole team where we talk about our weekends for 5 minutes at the start and spend half talking about what could have been a email. So on top we have bots that do these summaries so people can be sitting on calls only paying half attention to then not read the summaries anyway.
Lmao I would have read emails if I wasn't drowning in irrelevant emails and they forced us to switch to outlook which not only got rid of all the automated filtering and sorting I had setup but also lacked the features to recreate them. I used to be on top of email and slack channels but they just added so much mandatory shit that I just couldn't wade through anymore. So, "We can't send emails because people don't read them" in my experience has been a management problem, not an employee problem. This was Oracle though, and they're particularly bad at treating employees as human beings
The only real solution is to actually care enough about the work to read the email. The trouble is that so many companies these days do meaningless middleman shit that people couldn't give a fuck about. We're headed straight for an economy substantially consisting of work that doesn't matter, largely being done by bots that can't think properly.
... Which would be fine I guess, as long as the ruling class would be so good as to offer a substantial sinecure to the populace. But instead they will likely insist that we quietly die someplace they don't have to watch.
