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[–] Zezzoz@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

So we are at this point.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Is a government full of pedophiles worth saving?

No. The answer is no.

[–] SolarMyth@aussie.zone 9 points 17 hours ago

Funny, I thought that's what they believed, too. Now, suddenly they seem to think it's best to leave the global pedophile cabal in power.

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

This is such embarrassing fantasy that it’s almost hard to believe that real people believe it, but traitor lunatics thrive on nonsense. This Epstein list is like the pizza parlor conspiracy.

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 30 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That's not collapse, that's just justice. That's people being held accountable for their crimes. Society is still going to function fine without them, their roles, if they even have any, will just be taken over by the next person in the command structure.

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Or, better yet, we (as in society as a whole) can take the opportunity of clearing house to restructure our government (and, by extension, economic) systems to one where corrupt individuals cannot readily acquire hierarchical authority over others and entrench themselves behind layers of systemic powers.

Instead of an electoralist system where we elect representatives to dictate at their discretion which interests they will ultimately support for a federated system of syndicates where each has a set of delegates which have been assigned a specific responsibilities and expectations where, if those individuals are found to neglect their responsibilities, we can readily rescind their power of authority and replace them.

Power must come from the bottom up, otherwise we are slaves to the whims of those who wield authority from on high.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I’ve heard this “if we expose them whatta-buh-bout collapse?” a few times now. And if you’re trying to tell me that the global system is predicated upon the ultra rich and powerful being able to traffick and serially abuse children and get away with it, that’s not a system worth saving.

Burn it down, to the water line, and start anew. Release the whole thing, not a redacted or doctored list to quell the MAGA revolt. Everyone who was ever on that island - from the wait staff to Bill Gates - needs to be investigated properly, cleared as appropriate, and punished as deserved.

[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 10 points 20 hours ago

Completely agree, and the stonkingly overinflated ego on them to even contemplate an inking of the idea that society would collapse just because some scummy paedo cunts get some well deserved comeuppance is astonishing.

Christ, fucking baboons do a better job keeping their societies running more smoothly then these kiddie fiddling chucklefucks.
Plus there would be many more people chomping at the bit to do their 'jobs', but do it better.

Send the nonces to prison, fuck sake.

[–] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 212 points 1 day ago (5 children)

If stability means the pillars of our society are held up by pedophiles bring on the fuckin instability.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 118 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's always funny when conservatives are like 'careful what you wish for, Clinton was friends with Epstein too!'. Like we give a fuck, lock him up!

[–] Pofski@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is the difference between "I want my team to win" or "I want the good guys to win".

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[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

Yeah, my dad was going on about "why do all the Democrats want the Epstein files released, weren't the Clintons in there" and I'm like yeah, I want them to be investigated as well if needed. They can't imagine people would want the guys on their side investigated because after Nixon, they truly think any investigation of a political figure is for political gain.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yah this argument makes no sense even if I imagine being a corn-fed chud in the hills, isn't this exactly the same "Bring down authority" narrative they've been preparing for years? Isn't this LITERALLY Q-anon's entire theater play but happening in real time?

Wow what warriors for saving children, look at 'em go! Look at them storm the capitol to bring down this evil cabal who are now actually admitting their existence in public, no code words, no secret basements! Wait, they stormed the capitol already? And it was because of no reason at all?

Well I'm sure they have something big planned to finally put an end to this deep-state scourge to life, liberty and children that they've been railing against for decades.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

The world’s most powerful people going to prison would not cause the collapse of society. That is just not what society is. Even setting aside all hate for the 0.1% and judgments about whether they deserve prison, it’s just ridiculous to say that society depends on them. Who even wrote that line? Ayn Rand’s grandson?

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They're by definition NOT INNOCENT. Whatever happened to "drain the swamp"?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago

Whatever happened to "drain the swamp"?

It has been replaced by "Swamping the drain" long ago.

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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 72 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Trump says it can destroy innocent people? Why would innocent people be against publishing a list of pedophiles?

[–] zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago

Here's Katie Johnson's testimony on how Trump and Epstein brutally raped her and other 13 year old girls: "Katie Johnson's full testimony of 2/11/16", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo

I'm amazed it hasn't spread any more yet.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He's hijacking the point that victims need to have their identities protected. But instead of victims he means the perpetrators.

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The same shitbag that was incessant about naming the jurors in his own corruption cases.

Fuck me I hate how airheaded the masses are.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 11 hours ago

he was jury tampering, so he can force them to replace the jurors, that way to delay it, and the courts were just giving him what he wants.

[–] AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago

I would imagine there are at least half a million people far more qualified and with more integrity to replace those dummys

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 128 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Innocent?

If they are innocent, how would releasing the document destroy them?

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (4 children)

In trump’s mind, there’s nothing more “innocent” that forcing two underage girls to dress up as maids, force them to perform sexual acts on each other and him, sexually assault them, and then tell them they “performed adequately “ before leaving them

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

"It's good innocent fun that boys do, we have to stop persecuting these men for just doing what all men want!"

This is going to be the pro-pedo narrative that the entire right does their abrupt 180 with.

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[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 77 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why would anything collapse? What a dumb thing to say. These people already don't do anything but leech off the system. We'd have a more effective government and we'd kick the real welfare queens out.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

This is what a by-election is for. Someone is removed/resigns from office, or dies in office, surely you just run a by-election?

At least this is what we do in Australia for our house of reps (there's a different system for the senate since electorates are state-wide).

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Atlas shat himself or something, I don't read rich people porn

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[–] Ethalis@jlai.lu 94 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Conservatives about Pizzagate, a made-up fantasy conspiracy theory on a pedophile ring of powerful people: put them all in jail!

Conservatives about the Epstein files, a real-life conspiracy on a pedophile ring of powerful people: well surely we can't put all these people in jail, think about the consequences!

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 27 points 1 day ago

The difference is now their guy is affected, while with pizzagate it was only the others.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Lol yeah we couldn't possibly elect new reps. Gotta love conservatives and their static view of the world.

*This is Atlas Shrugged from what I understand (haven't read it). It's a handful of businessmen that grace the world, and without them the world can't function.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago

Imprisioned? Hardly. Not with their kind of money and influence. Some would go down. We already know lots of names on the list which aren't getting any serious time out of this.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I call bullshit on 2/3 of Congress. I believe they’re not nearly as wealthy or powerful as the people being protected.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

call bullshit on 2/3 of Congress.

Yeah..... It really doesn't have to be that dramatic. The GOP would be more than willing to bury any kind of evidence if it only endangered a couple of their mega donors.

I mean I'm guessing that the people wealthy enough to partake in pedo island probably aren't a fan of paying taxes.

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[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I hate how hopeful I am. I keep believing that at some point these people on the right are going to wake up and realize what they've voted for.

And I am continuously disappointed as they make more and more excuses for the criminal acts their leadership has committed each time they come to light.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 11 hours ago

i doubt it, they are "into deep" so they have to double down, or shift to something like "i never supported that." never have a self reflection to admit thier wrong thinking.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 19 hours ago

=/ I have my doubts

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good?

Shit ain't exactly stable for 99.9% of us.

If arresting pedos also substantially changes the way our society works, that's a win-win

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[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is not the elites of society who keep the role turning, it's the workers.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (7 children)

2/3rds of Congress? Is that why the vote to release the files was along party lines, with 211 Republicans voting to stop the release of the files? I think it's more like a simple majority of congress, lol.

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[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 36 points 1 day ago

wait wait wait lmao hold on, are you saying the political elite are too big to fail? we can’t allow pedophile rapists to be punished because they weaseled their way to the top? i’m not fucking following the logic of their anger.

[–] AllToRuleThemOne@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Like the Panama papers?

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

It would in no way impede the stability of society, quite the opposite. Those are the very same people who are responsible for much of the instability. If the US were to start prioritising the public good over the profits of the oligarchy, 99.99% of society would benefit.

[–] Decq@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Wasn't Trump all about draining the swamp? And now that there is a swamp to drain he pussy's out? I guess TACO really was accurate.

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