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Tucker Carlson is the smartest high-profile white supremacist.

You don't gotta hand it to him, but you should recognize his danger. And you can enjoy watching Sam Altman squirm

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 67 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah Tucker scares the shit of me. He is clearly class conscious and knows which side he is on. I do not fuck with it

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Generally fully agreed, he's a scary and horrible person, but is this video a showcase of that? Seemed to me very bourgeois infighting? He's just trying to make clout by talking about obvious shit that Media won't, and he will definitely want to use that clout to build up power to do the fascist shit he wants. But how was that class conscious?

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

To me, it seems like Tucker is willing to sacrifice certain factions of the bourgeoisie for the sake of rationalizing the system. He's previously had some sharp criticism of landlords and other unproductive rent-seekers, for example. Some over-inflated tech nerd who just wasted a trillion dollars or whatever is exactly the kind of guy he would sacrifice for his greater project. He's willing to break a few eggs while everyone else in power is so easily captured by small factions of capital and niche interests that they're completely unable to solve any structural problems. And it's obviously smart politics as well, everyone fucking hates these parasites. Tucker probably would actually make the trains run on time, by disciplining labor but also capital when needed. I think he's the only prominent figure who both realizes this and seems willing to follow through.

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Good thoughts, it reminds me of Losurdo's concept of a representative of a class that doesn't do what the class broadly wants, but instead what it needs to protect it from itself. Tucker does seem aware of protecting the bourgeoisie from their own incompetences and inability to strategically break with their fake ideals when needed.

[–] Yuritopiaposadism@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

I noticed that, that man scares me.

[–] welcome_back@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I see Tucker as the true heir of MAGA energy while JD and Thiel are looking to hijack it.

Also Tucker is smart enough to see that the AI capex grift is gonna collapse so he’s very intelligently positioned here.

President Tucker is inevitable.

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago

There's another dynamic to this though that most people don't seem aware of.

Tucker has pretty close ties to the PayPal mafia faction of Thiel and Co. He's tight with Palantir and the presumed pick to front Musk's America Party that is supposedly being prepped to fill the vaccuum after Trump.

Less than a month ago, the US military and DHS decided that they were going to start experimenting with using AI services & infrastructure from the Microsoft/OpenAI suite of companies, because there's some concerns over vendor lock-in and vulnerability to giving Palantir a monopoly over government data and infrastructure.

This is a hit job on Microsoft/OpenAI on behalf of Palantir by Tucker. An embarrassment tactic (also likely based on the knowledge that the murder of the whistleblower is indeed true) to try and toxify OpenAI and Altman in a very public way.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Oh I didn't watch more than a minute of the video. Don't like listening to him speak. I was just commenting on him because the danger mentioned in the post body

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

stalin-approval

got it, I actually kinda enjoyed watching it because Sam Altman doesn't know how to be tactical about it, but I don't blame you. Then I agree entirely, he is clearly very conscious of his class position

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Bro just say it wasn't you dude, just say it, just say the words, "if it wasn't suicide it still wasn't me", why isn't he saying at any point here that he had no involvement?

There is a dance here occurring that looks very much like careful practiced training along the lines of "say absolutely nothing that could be used by a lawyer in any direction".

He literally says nothing. He never says he was involved, he never says he wasn't involved, he gives up zero information at all. It's a well practiced lawyerly response.

[–] roberto@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago

100%. Either corporate messaging or AI boy definitely had someone sui that guy.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

just say the words, "if it wasn't suicide it still wasn't me"

I dunno, I think these kinds of denials before anyone directly accuses/asks him (which Tucker is smooth enough to avoid doing) are counterproductive.^[Though I admit this case may be different, since it's being so heavily implied, and at one point Tucker does explicitly say that Balaji's mother accuses Sam]

"Hey, have you heard about this murder..."

bird-screm-2 "WHY ARE YOU ACCUSING ME!"

brow

[–] booty@hexbear.net 44 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You don't gotta hand it to him, but you should recognize his danger.

It is for sure concerning to listen to a fascist who can speak in complete sentences and articulate complex logic for once. Most fascists are the dumbest motherfuckers you've ever laid eyes on, but Tucker Carlson is one of those freaks who is evil, knows he's evil, knows you know he's evil, and will smugly smile while he somehow convinces millions that he's worth listening to.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

man the ted cruz interview was something. would've been better if a bomb went off at the end.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also I fear that Tucker Carlson will one day become president

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Imagine Trump but with all the faculties necessary to actually realize his agenda

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 34 points 4 months ago

Altman is such a fucking worm. Godamnit why does the US have to be so dumb that they can’t see his rhetorical bullshit he has clearly weaponized to get to this point

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He called Ro Khanna? Ro Khanna would never do anything to hurt one of his Silicon Valley buddies.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I think Tucker knows this and only did so so he could put on the pretense of a concerned citizen standing up for democracy

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

Tucker called Ro Khanna on behalf of Thiel and Palantir, who are also Ro's silicon valley buddies. This is about Palantir's monopoly on DOD/DHS contracts.

[–] sorter_plainview@lemmy.today 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Poster boy never faced a journalist who can ask proper questions.

He could have deflected it saying, "I believe what authorities are saying right now, and if, for some reason, the case again gets reopened based on these accusations, I will completely cooperate with authorities. I have nothing to hide here."

Dude need some media training.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Poster boy never faced a journalist who can ask proper questions

He's a lot like Peter Thiel in that regard

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

Indeed.

Ironically, it's Peter Theil who's responsible for this interview ambush by Tucker.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

I mean even on an "unprofessional" level, why would you not be pissed and hostile to someone publicly and wrongfully accusing you of murder?

You didn't owe this guy anything if you're wrongfully accused!

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Guy (furrowing fascist) that memorized 12 facts vs. every STEM silicon valley sociopath congealed into one boo-zhwa-zer.

[–] MizuTama@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A fascist that memorizes facts instead of making them up is scary though.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't think those things are scary. The only scary things about him is his popularity and platform.

[–] MizuTama@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He's generally shown a better capability of wielding those though for the same reason he can use facts instead of just having to make them up.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

That's true but to be honest there's little value in being good at saying facts. For example, most ineffectual socialists have way more facts. They just aren't doing much organizing using them.

The most dangerous reactionaries know less than our man TC and have worse speaking skills. They keep their guns ready to use against "leftists" or cut checks to the minority murdet brigade (cops). Their seat of power is their relation to production, actual violence, and ability to craft public thought not because they have good speaking skills but becausd they employ nearly every editor and joirnalist.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Tucker is a master framer. Look at what he does here. He sets the frame around murder and forces Altman to respond. That's easy. However, when Altman attempts to move the frame by effectively saying "I trust the cops" Tucker pulls it right back by listing evidence and then says "I don't know how they see all this and call it a suicide. It makes me question how effective our systems are at dealing with serious issues"

He also brings up the mans mom, and gets Altman to establish that he cared about this man. Altman realizes this and says "I mean I didn't know him well but I knew him for a long time" or something to that effect. Tucker then builds an argument that gets the AUDIENCE to ask themselves "OK, if he liked this guy so much, why is HE not pushing for the truth?"

He then puts Altman in a corner by saying "I just think that any reasonable person who looks at this would clearly see this was a murder". This now centers you, the viewer as a "reasonable person" just like Tucker, and pushes Altman into the "Unreasonable" category. This forces Altman to try and join the center by saying he thought it was suspicious. But because of the groundwork laid out by Tucker he can't stay here as it opens Altman up to more questions about what he's going to do to "honor his dead friend". Tucker asks him "so what changed your mind?" This is such a fatal question that Altman has no way out of as we see. He buffers for a moment, stumbles out an answer, tries to put that back on Tucker, who has no reason to deviate from his plan.

That's when the interview basically ends.

Tucker is like a machine in this setting. He is so good at framing and reframing conversations, and he is so good at talking directly to the audience without it sounding like he's talking directly to the audience. He effectively is the audience at some point.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Basic trial lawyer stuff. All you need to do with a jury is to create reasonable doubt.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I think the funniest part is @5:13 when Sam tries to backtrack and demonstrate impartiality by claiming that he did suspect a murder "after the first set of information that came out"—even though he had been vehemently denying it for the past five minutes.

Tucker enthusiastically jumps on the contradiction:

Tucker: "Okay! So I'm not reaching [...]"

And Sam clarifies:

Sam: "Well, but after the second thing came out, and the more detail, I was like 'oh, okay'"

Tucker smells blood and immediately pressures him to elaborate:

Tucker: "What changed your mind?"

All Sam can do is awkwardly repeat what he just said, while his brain frantically tries to fabricate the "convincing" details:

Sam: *Inhales deeply* Um... side-eye-1 *Awkward silence* The... second report on the way the... bullet entered him, and the sort of person who had, like, followed the... the sort of... likely path of things through the room... side-eye-2

At this point Sam gives up trying to come up with details and pivots to the offensive by turning the question back around on Tucker:

Sam: *Smugly* "And what about that didn't change your mind?" :smuglord:

But the gambit fails right away, because Tucker actually has evidence to list without hesitation.

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the sort of person who had, like, followed the... the sort of... likely path of things through the room...

This was such a weird line.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

You can practically see the spinning loading icon over his head

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh shit a follow up question, what do I do?

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

Too much relying on AI made the phrase "forensic investigator" fade from his lexicon.

[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I made it up to 1:16 and I'm laughing pretty hard but I'm afraid to listen to Fucker Carlsbad talk any longer than that

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Totally fair.

It is very funny.

[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

Alright I finished it, the whole thing was funny and also uncomfortable in the sense of "this freak definitely had the whistleblower killed"

As far as Tucker, all there is to say is heartbreaking

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago

It's not much of a fight. It's a massacre

[–] Meltyheartlove@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

Felt like something out of WKUK and had a good laugh but maybe it's just me. I fear the consequences on the world if he becomes president of Amerikkka sadness-abysmal

[–] Hexamerous@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

You can't convince me this isn't a Onion clip. "Blood in several rooms, camera wires cut and a wig" what kind of Hollywood shit is this. What, they also found an empty violin case with what looks like the profile of a Tommy gun, bloody candlestick and a pile of rare brand cigarette butts at the perfect stake out spot.