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[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 48 points 2 months ago (20 children)

Vegetarian in this case indicates the beans were not prepared with lard or other animal derived products during the cooking stage. It does not denote that the beans were fed an animal free diet.

[–] FishLake@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It implies the beans were fed a plant-based diet unlike the common carnivorous bean.

[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Imagine being eaten to death sitting in a giant pot of carnivorous beans 😳

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

Bean-eating man geordi-no

Man-eating bean geordi-yes

[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

not prepared with lard or other animal derived products

topped with cheese

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It actually just suggests that you top it with cheese

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

Not beating the vegetarian stereotypes here.

[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

oh I stand corrected! Thanks!

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As soon as i hit post i felt like a reddit akshually guy but I'm glad this was the reply lol

[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

I'm just so conditioned to expect seemingly-likely-to-be-vegan products like cans of beans to pull a bait and switch and reveal they have cheese, sodium caseinate, etc

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[–] Bolshechick@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago

I'm pretty sure refried beans are traditionally made with lard, so it's good these ones aren't and are labeled as such

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Besides the obvious answer that refried beans are commonly made with lard, there is some debate over whether eating organic crops is vegan because two of the most common organic fertilizers are essentially dried slaughterhouse residues and fish emulsion.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

lmao organic is such a scam.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Given that the EPA is now apparently rubber stamping whatever pesticides come across their desk, there is still a health argument, but when it comes to environmental sustainability, nitrogen is an elephant in the room. Crop productivity is as high as it is because of Haber-Bosch nitrogen, and if you remove that as a possible input, your options are:

  • Haber-Bosch nitrogen obtained by first feeding it to animals in the form of conventionally grown crops and then applied as manure or meat, blood, and bone meal
  • Naturally fixed nitrogen as concentrated in fish or pasture-raised chickens or cattle
  • Mined nitrates (naturally mined minerals qualify as organic)
  • A mysterious fourth thing (on farm nitrogen management with legumes, but that's a supplement and not sufficient to produce high yields)

I think there's a case for a sensible system that combines synthetic nitrogen fertilizers with smarter soil organic matter management practices and IPM that doesn't rely on pesticides as a first resort, but such a system would still be less productive (in terms of gross output) and more complex than commercial farming, so there needs to be a market for it. "We didn't completely throw the baby out with the bathwater" farming.

[–] RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those same people probably think recycling helps save the environment too.

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hey now, recycling might help the environment a little if it were, you know... something that actually was real.

As it stands most western "recycling" involves plucking out the metals, actually recycling the 100% pure paper waste from offices, and sending virtually everything else overseas to set on fire. It's a very cool system.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

These beans come all the way from Cadia? such inefficient logistics

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

the planet fell before the beans!

[–] Krem@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

the beanbasket of the imperium

[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I'm not one to defend American stupidity, life is too short, but it should be remembered that potatoes are vegetarian but chips, proper chips, are often cooked in beef dripping, which would make them non-vegetarian.

[–] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

A lot of the flavoured chips have milk powder sprinkled on them too.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] take_five_moments@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Usually the categories are Traditional and Vegetarian. Not sure why they'd splice the term "refried beans" to make it sound like the vegetarianism was practiced by the beans themselves.

Also fat free refried beans sound kinda unpleasant. We're not in the 90s anymore, it's okay to eat fat, and it's okay to use sunflower oil or coconut oil to fry the beans in.

[–] ClassIsOver@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Isn't lard the traditional way to cook refried beans, hence the differentiation?

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[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Maybe theyre usually fried in not-vegetarian-friendly stuff? Idk enough about beans tho so this just a guess

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[–] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago (4 children)

My dad asked me if I could/would drink egg nog last week after being vegan for like 10 years.

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[–] DerRedMax@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

“For added deliciousness, top with melted cheese.”

I think that’s the part that makes it most American.

[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Finding out that some Americans put cheese on apple pie was the very first part of the anti-American pipeline for me

(Also dear Americans: you mfs did not invent the apple pie it’s existed for longer than the US has)

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

Im not a cheese guy but I could see there being certain cheeses that would go good with baked apples

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[–] CocteauChameleons@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Dawg to protect yourself, dont come to the US and mistake Mexican food for American lol

[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

BTW:
What does "refried" mean?

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Thanks!

And this seems to be a much better reason this might be necognizable as American (although not necessarily US American)

Unexpected vegan/vegetarian food surprises are also a thing here in Europe...

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"vegetarian" catgirl-disgust what are they floating in? cheese sauce?

[–] fox@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Refried beans are usually cooked with lard

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[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also note that they are vegetarian, but not vegan...

[–] radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Americanos love using lard and bacon in preparing refried beans. This is a necessary disclosure that neither of those things were included.

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] ratboy@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

Okay that's what I THOUGHT. I thought I was tripping thinking that using lard was standard because everyone was criticizing it as a weird american thing. Kinda surprised that many people don't know this

[–] ratboy@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is that not a Mexican thing, too?

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[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately a lot more than USian's like lard. I'm not even safe abroad.

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[–] communism@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Forget vegetarian. How can something fried be fat-free? Doesn't frying... by definition require fat?

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