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This is funny and all, but eerily possible. The thing that angers me is that it is sort of normal that "the boss" can behave like an angry 6 year old without being told off, it happens overseas too but I have the impression it's a very American thing.
True, but...
There's a couple of warning flags in that story - what's with the "I spend my time making my boss's life hell"? That doesn't sound conducive to building a trusting relationship...
Then there's how you work through a problem with someone, especially higher management. I've learned to not over share the details, because there's this invisible force that commands them to give an opinion and butt in.
Just offer calm assurance that you know what it is going on and that you can fix it, and give them an estimate of how long it will take, but double it first. This will give you leeway in case of unexpected issues, and make you look good if you deliver faster.
One thing they're good at though is getting you resources. If you need someone else to move, or something to get it fixed, be clear about that and they'll start making phone calls and make it happen in no time.
If they also handle security that can be a (necessary) pain in the ass
who are you, so wise in the ways of corporate?
That noob thinks doubling the time estimate is enough. He's like a little kid yet.
My method is that if it's a 5 minute thing, that's this week. If not, then next quarter.
Yeah they're gonna take 75% right off the top.
This happens a lot, i'm sure. I'm 40 now, but people still think i'm in my 20es and have trouble taking me seriously at work, even if i have over 20 years of experience in my field. Now imagine being me in my 20es.
It happens quite frequently that people are looking for my co-worker and i tell them where to find him, or they just ask me. And then go: "no it's fine, i ask him". And i tell them that's fine, but he'll just ask me. And later they come back and ask me together. It happenS ALL THE TIME.
It’s also a very Indian thing. And a very nepotism thing.
Yes it sounds extremely Indian. India seems to have this work culture thing where if management are not been a pain in the backside they feel like they're not doing their jobs properly. The contract ends in march (because apparently outsourcing the jobs to India hasn't resulted in the expected savings, gee, I wonder why) and I cannot wait to no longer have to deal with them.
The work culture is terrible. Racism. Nepotism. Shitty code, because their university taught them to write code, instead of actually teaching them how to learn.
Fortunately this lot haven't actually been doing coding, but I've worked jobs where they turn in their terrible code and it's just nested if statements and 2000 line files.
I had this sort of thing happen all the time at my last job. Eventually everyone just accepted that I was the one to ask. Then it backfired and they started assuming that i was the one to ask about everything. Then it double backfired and they started inviting me to meetings as a SME (subject matter expert)... about basically everything whether I knew much about them or not.
Me: -submits ticket- “our recycle bins don’t work anymore. What happened?”
IT: “we scripted them to disable every time you guys log in from now on.”
Me: “…..why?”
IT: “don’t know, but you won’t be getting recycle bins back until the upgraded computers roll out.”
Me: “okay, when will that be?”
IT: “dunno. We have to do the entire company and we can only do about 4 a week.”
Me: “dude, set up a fucking FOG server, throw all the interns at hooking the new machines up to a cheap switch, and multicast out an image. Bang this out in a few weeks.”
IT: “nope, open source doesn’t have support so we don’t use it.”
Me: “and who is “supporting” you at a rate of 4 pcs a week?”
IT: “…..is there anything else I can help you with?”
Me: “gave us back our recycle bins.”
IT: “no”
Fucking Christ these guys are dumb.
"Open source doesn't have support"
My brother in christ you are EMPLOYED to be the SUPPORT
Its really funny, I've noticed in organizations where they only purchase based on support availability they tend to have a lot of random broken stuff because vendors never sorted it out and tons of technical debt from 3/4 configured stuff that nobody took the time to dig into and finish cleaning up after the vendor completed the initial setup, meanwhile organizations which actually take an active role in their infrastructure and focus more on using the right tool for the job tend to have much more robust systems, but more outages where they can only blame themselves
No, they employed to contract out the support endlessly and fingerpoint when they can’t figure it out. Yay Microsoft!
If they're talking about active directory then in fairness they do have a point. Linux doesn't have anything anywhere close to the utility of AD. It's got some of the functionality but it's nowhere near the full solution that Microsoft offers.
At some point Microsoft are probably going to realise there's an entire aspect of their operating system they haven't erroneously stuck AI in and ruined it. But until then for managing large networks you can't beat AD. It's just unfortunate that the operating system on the other end is so crap.
No, it’s other crap too. And I’m not convinced AD is as important as people pretend it is, especially with everyone pissing themselves to take everything off prem and into the cloud.
AD is great because it’s already there, not because it’s actually superior.
Are you really claiming user management isn't as important from a business perspective?
Everyone using local accounts is a nightmare to manage if you have more than 5 computers. No self-respecting IT department would want to put up with that.
And you also seem to have no understanding of the sheer amount of functionality AD offers.
Hardly. It’s incredibly important, especially at such scale. But while AD scales well for a business, it does not scale in a way that makes sense for everything being sold as a service online. Even with Azure, there are other options that are frequently more practical.
Just me trying to manage an organisation with just Linux tools would be a nightmare.
I remember back in 2015 trying to manage a bunch of Apple Mac workstations for a web design company and there was only about 12 of them and it was so irritating. And that's Apple, who do actually have some, but not very good, user management software.
How does it been in the cloud make it any worse. User management is user management I don't really care if it's hosted locally or not. I'd prefer it to be hosted locally but I'd take Entra over not having it at all.
It "been there" is what makes it superior. In Linux it isn't there.
How does it been in the cloud make it any worse. User management is user management I don’t really care if it’s hosted locally or not. I’d prefer it to be hosted locally but I’d take Entra over not having it at all.
The big difference is the gaping Grand Canyon sized feature gap between M365 and on-prem AD. Sure you can enforce some desktop policies via Entra but rarely the specific one you're after. And if all you're really using AD for is central authentication and you're not using group policy much anymore, alternative options start actually being options
I'll be the first Linux fan to say it's better to manage windows from windows, and that includes using the Windows Server stack to manage your Windows clients, but Microsoft's really making that less and less compelling as they move everything into the cloud and off of local software and instead into less featureful web apps. At some point it makes far more sense to just kick them to the curb and instead deal with the wonkiness of Linux where at least you get control over changes and updates
Being in the cloud changes the pressures you face. It’s an environment that no longer has the “everyone is using windows and on the domain” advantage.
And what if they aren't able to solve the issue?
This is a commercial business, they can't just ignore the problem. Someone has to solve it. And that is why companies will ALWAYS chose a product with support from the manufacturer. Just in case the people they hired are unable to solve it.
Then they ask the dev and pay for the time? You think thats not an option???
Yeah, a big part of my job is helping deploy thousands of systems with in one customer case a contractural commitment to be able to redeploy all 3,000 of their systems in 30 minutes....
But when it comes to my own system, I am mandated by company policy to let our IT handle it, who does it by hand from a USB stick... So when the time comes they want to reimage my system for whatever reason, II turn in my laptop for a few days, get it back and put my second m.2 disk back in to boot back into the OS I maintain after letting them do what they wanted to my alleged 'primary' OS.
relatable but that would get me investigated
That's what happens when you subcontract out your IT.
What do you mean, this just sounds like IT
Would you believe we didn’t do that? They are just convinced that’s how this should go.
Do things in recycle bin not get synced to the cloud/backed up?(edit: nope seems everything from breaking migration tool, ballooning profiles and overzealous compliance can be mitigated elsewhere). Hence doing so in the roll out? No idea otherwise or why they wouldn’t know. Sometimes we just get told to do things a certain way. Not IT anymore but currently work with engineers who try shortcutting triage queues (probably in an attempt to save everyone time, not maliciously) and we have to undo their assignment and triage it as laid out. Specifically we were told “people will try to tell you who to send internal requests to, ignore them”. Largely for accountability so tickets/requests don’t get dropped or breach SLA and also because it can break workflows. Locking out recycle bins without being able to provide a good reason is pretty wild though lmao.
They said they it’s a Citrix thing. They are getting rid of Citrix too, which is fine as it’s a pain in the ass, but moving to full PCs for remote workers tha don’t need them is a ridiculous waste of time and money, especially now. It’s just going to make things worse because supporting that won’t scale as cleanly.
And why this migration? It’s not like Citrix was a bad idea on the first place. It actually solves some real problems for us.
IT: “because we can’t remote into a Citrix box.” Me: “the fuck you cant.”
because we can’t remote into a Citrix box
Citrix literally makes a tool for doing exactly that! Its called Citrix Director and while yes it's just as slightly-not-quite-wonky as everything else Citrix, it works quite well for remoting into a thin client's session among other management features
They said they it’s a Citrix thing.
Pretty sure it's more of a redirected folder thing with Windows, but Windows has been pretty wonky recently about redirected folders and profiles. By memory of my last Citrix environment redirecting the recycle bin is completely possible but bad practice since it's just more profile data to fling around and slow down login times
If only we had a word for a glass wall.
A window isn't the same as a glass wall.
Useless.
Winwall?? No that's not it... glassdow? Oh winder!! The word for a glass wall is winder!!
Cause after all. You're my windowwall.
Partition or glazing?
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This is glorious
If only it were that simply resolved throughout society.
whilst
^ah, fuck. not that guy.^
"And then everyone clapped"
Nothing ever happens
No manager is ever incompetent and doesn't listen to their underlings...