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Lacking in both aura, and, historical vibes. Kinda just looks like slop.
If anyone wants to read the Odyssey, I'd suggest the modern Emily Wilson translation. It attempts to be a more direct and faithful adaptation that maintains a similar rhythm as the original spoken poetry in greek.
More importantly imo she removes a lot of the Victorian brainworms prior English translations smuggled in, like calling slaves "servants" or calling Helen a "bitch" rather than the more correct "dog faced," which doesn't have the same gendered connotations as "bitch" does in English. Lattimore is still my favorite translator of.the epics, but Wilson's is really wonderful. Both her Iliad and Odyssey are worth reading.
Helen: 
wtf did u just call me
rather than the more correct "dog faced,"
Was biden doing a homeric reference when he called that one reporter a "Dog faced Pony soldier"
The Lattimore and Wilson translations are what I'd go for as well. The others are basically just victorian fanfics calling themselves translations.
It's great, the War Nerd Prose Iliad is great, and I'm a big fan of the Pope translation of both if you want something in a higher register. All such different vibes, all great.
The Nolan vibes are fucked though. Looks like a third rate spinoff of the Dune movies, but without decent art design and using leftover TDKR props.
I don’t even care about the Odyssey that much but I do think the Bronze Age was fucking fascinating. I know the classic canon of western civilization is overplayed, especially by a bunch of marble statue dipshits, but those boneheads think Fight Club is about starting a fight club. Fuck em. The Bronze Age shit slaps. Bunch of goat herders built a wall around a hill and some other group of dickheads with boats knocked it over. Then they tell some elaborate yarn about it for a thousand years. Hilarious stuff.
The lack of any kind of Sea Peoples sword and sandals epic is criminal.
The Aeneid would go so, so hard. The panicked flight from burning troy as the Mycenaean sea peoples burn it, an amazing voyage through a world in collapse, panicked refugees streaming into Carthage since the Phoenicians are the last remaining civ that hasn't closed borders. and at the end, hope in Apulia, and a promise of Rome.
The sequels write themselves as our heroes sail to another land and start brawls with the locals. They’re basically the Saiyans from Dragon Ball. Agamemnon was extremely Vegeta coded.
This is also one of my problems with the new dune adaptation, it's visually bland and colourless, when there was so much opportunity to use Islamic, bizanytine and tzarist architecture and clothing as a base for the desings, when the setting is clearly middle eastern/ Caucasus inspired.
Fremen sietches are described as raucously colorful with woven tapestries all over the place to make the cavern interiors more comfortable
They were just fucking empty rooms in the film I was so disappointed. That sterile look was the weakest element of the production design of those films, totally lacking a "lived in" feel.
It's the usual problem afflicting modern media: everything is too clean and new. Star Wars or Alien being grimy were very intentional decisions that took a lot of work to execute naturally on film. Bat-Agamemnon there is coming off of a ten year siege and he looks like he just took the plastic wrap off his comicon cosplay
This is just vibes on my part but I feel like a part of that modern emptiness is not having enough extras onscreen. In Dune there were these huge sets shot in a way that highlighted the emptiness, maybe they thought having fewer people in them made them feel more epic? maybe it's just cheaper. The Atreides are heads of a planet-spanning aristocracy which has no "thinking machines". Surely they'd have attendants everywhere! Fremen sietches, and Arakkeen, should be absolutely bustling.
Blade Runner 2049 is a more open question. The design of LA suggests a huge population density but Earth's ecology is so fucked that surely we have population decline, so many of those apartments should be empty.
It's curious, especially when you look at the director's last work, Blade Runner 2049, which was the exact opposite. Everything outside of the Wallace Corp hyperwealthy scenes looked dingy. Sterile areas were dirty and everything looked prefabbed (on purpose).
(I said production design but what I meant was art direction, oops!)
I just checked imdb and Dune (1&2) and BR 2049 had different art directors, set decorators, and costume designers. No idea how the budgets compare but I have to assume they were similar and people just have a hard time deciding how to art direct Dune. With Blade Runner here they had the benefit of being a sequel.
There’s a problem in adapting Dune because the vibe of it is that it’s so far into the future it ends up feeling ancient and alien. If they just hung a bunch of Persian rugs and had Islamic architecture in a more obvious way (like in the movies everything in Arrakis was clearly inspired by Islamic architecture, but in a “brutal” and “alien” way), it would like like Earth and Earth cultures but a couple millennia into the future. But that is not the vibe at all.
I think Dennis captured the vibe of Dune perfectly, as a big big fan of the books 🤷♂️
LOOK AT THIS DRIP WE COULDVE HAD SOMETHING ACTUALLY UNIQUELY COOL AS FUCK BUT FUCK NO WE GET TROJAN BATMAN INSTEAD
Look at him in Total War, hes fuckin ballin
HOLLYWOOD LET HEXBEAR MAKE MOVIES FOR YOU! JUST GIVE US A BLANK CHECK AND SOME DIRECTORS TO BULLY AND WE'LL MAKE THE FINEST SLOP IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD part 3.
kinda looks like the pictures of generals wearing like 200 medals on their uniform
I mean that 100% checks out for Agamemnon, who is famous for declaring himself the best of the Greeks while letting Akhilleus do all the work and then unfairly taking his sex slave because Agamemnon had to give away his own sex slave.
Looks almost like the design is AI generated. Not sure if it is that or just the capeshit slopification of everything in Hollywood these days though.
The amount of people who's reaction is "ummm it's myth not history sweaty there is no accuracy" as if we don't have boar tusk helmets and the Dendra armor to say nothing of artistic depictions of bronze age stuff not specifically mentioned in the epic.
If it's myth then explain how they found the real city of Troy by following the book's own lore! 
My favorite study that came out of this was that they put on Mycaenean armour they found and then followed the diet and battle regime detailed in the Iliad and concluded "yeah this armour works." Experimental anthropology is fun. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0301494
Hey I am on the "accurate enough to be using some real history carried down" side of the Homeric question. The chariots being there despite being misused always felt so telling to me that Homer knew somethings needed to be maintained even if he didn't know how they would be used in war.
And yeah fuck Schliemann, but just following the fucking directions two thousand years later is so funny
Hilariously, We've recently discovered that the layers of Troy associated with the late bronze age (VIIa) are located slightly away from the main hill, meaning that the settlement is a bit larger than we thought and more like the stories of Troy. But, and this is the funny part, Schliemann didn't just dynamite his way through the layer he wanted because he though old=good. He dynamited the wrong spot!
I been making fun of it in the chat for having no aura
Have you seen the Ancient Greek Brutalism?
Nolan glazers keep coping and saying the only people that hate it its the ones that want historical accuracy and are bringing up the soviet movie Alexander Nevsky as an example of good movies that dont follow historical accuracy
Except unlike Nolan's its actually has aura
They both lack color
How do you fuck up Corinthian columns so badly? Like, what was even the thought process behind this? "Eh, we don't need to actually carve any of this shit and make it look like a real place, everything is AI now so no one will care if it looks terrible."
Aaaaaaah, that's the point of 3D printers! They were supposed to usher in a glorious age of wild design potential and free makers from some of the hardest parts of large implementation!
It was only like a decade ago!
are bringing up the soviet movie Alexander Nevsky as an example of good movies that dont follow historical accuracy
The tutonic barbarians most definitely wore silly war hats like what's depicted in Alexander Nevsky. That's the Genius of Eisenstein, he still follows closely to historic Realism but adds a beautiful coat of colorful paint to just make it POP
Christopher Nolan doesn't get nearly enough hate as he should
Like if you're gonna make something that's loose with accuracy at least make it interesting to look at like fuck even 300 looks more interesting and colorful than this slop and that was pure dogwater
Nolan only has one style and it works for Dark Knight but doesn't work for anything else.
I mean he does well with more modern settings, like Dunkirk and Oppenheimer were quite satisfactory. I suppose the problem is that his style only truly works in a modern to post-modern contemporary period when life was drained from the world.
I read this as "Agamememon" at first and thought people were mad about some new Digimon thing lmao
Agumonmemnonmon
It's an oddly constipated look.
If he's secretly made it all aliens instead of gods and monsters, hence the scifi armour (for one guy) and blocky temples... well, it's still a boring look, but at least then there's a kind of - the autocorrect thinks I want to say "fake alchemy" next, which... I kinda agree with.
Like if Lord of Light was drab and functional.
