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"It didn’t go unnoticed in Frankfurt that Visa and Mastercard suspended operations in Russia in March 2022 after the invasion of Ukraine……Thirteen of the 20 countries in the euro have no domestic card scheme. You use an international operator, or you pay in cash."

It hasn't gone unnoticed that the US is threatening to invade an EU country's (Denmark) territory, either. Would a future President Trump or President Vance threaten to shut down European financial infrastructure if it opposes an annexation of Greenland? Who knows, but better to take away that opportunity for leverage.

The plan is that you can link it to your bank account or open a special account at post offices throughout the EU. There will be phone apps for payments and digital Euro debit cards. Visa/Mastercard & Apple/Google Pay typically charge 3% fees; the digital Euro will have none. That will ensure it is speedily adopted by retailers and quickly supplants the US providers. Also worth noting its technology will be 100% European only, leaving zero vulnerability/leverage to non-Europeans.

Digital euro: what it is and how we will use the new form of cash - The European Central Bank is determined to break the US grip on card payments

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[–] mckean@programming.dev 2 points 3 hours ago

GNU taler has been working on this, I guess someone just needs to adopt it. https://www.taler.net/en/index.html

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

King shit. Wish our leaders gave anywhere near a shit to do this in the US.

[–] NorthoftheBorder@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

We need this for Canada too.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago

That was my first thought. I like every part of the article except the "European only" bit

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[–] CanadaPlus 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Wow, very cool! Absolute poggers.

“It’s an end-to-European solution,” says Alessandro Giovannini, an ECB official. “All the engineering will be 100pc European, and it will be distributed by euro banks.”

Hmm, I should open a European bank account. It could help if I'm every visiting family out there, anyway.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 2 points 10 hours ago

Revolut should work, ask around friends because they give about 80$ bonus if you sign up via referral (to the person you referred, after 3 payments IIRC, but they can send half to you, or all of it).

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 35 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I hope Americans are allowed to use it. I want to support hentai and to enjoy it without prudes getting in the way.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It comes to America
A bunch of Americans start using it
The provider sees a growing market and likes money.
Some pastor from Iowa sees tits on the Internet and gets offended.
Religious network of nutnobs pays for boycott ad campaign.
Provider silently or not so silently bans everything that can possibly offend christian pastors from the US.
We still need a sane payment provider

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Boycotting a service that has no fees doesn't do much.

It reminds me of when I worked in a call center. Asshole, screaming callers would demand to speak to someone else and expect me to be somehow upset that I got to get them off my line.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

They still benefit from having volumes of money flowing through them, or at least can bendfit if we allow them to be a for profit business.

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[–] Rednax@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The technology is based on the existing Ideal system, which is already in use by the Netherlands. It works via apps from the banks themselves. Hence, you will need an account at an European bank.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 12 hours ago

Balls, guess Canada is stuck using the imperial processors. I'd have loved to use a European government system

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 points 11 hours ago

You're confusing Wero with the Digital Euro. This article is about the latter.

[–] Sauvandu60@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago

Anything thay weaken visa mastercard is good.

[–] paperazzi@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

The world is changing incredibly fast. Change is scary but I'm loving the speed and intelligence the world's leaders are adapting to the US threats.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

This is excellent. We should never have left the EU.

[–] BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This article claims there are very initial signs that you might get your wish: https://inews.co.uk/opinion/process-trying-undo-brexit-begun-4106581

I personally can't get over the fact that a 50% majority was all that was needed for such a drastic change. The US despite all its flaws requires more than 50% for certain major things like amending the constitution. Hopefully you can one day rejoin and then make it so it would require a higher threshold like 2/3 majority before another brexit would be possible.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Thank you.

The UK has more of a set of conventions and principles than a constitution. We found out how weak that is when Boris Johnson broke the rules of Parliament to avoid losing a vote on Brexit, and made the Queen lie about it publicly in the formal announcement of the proroguement.

One of the principles is that no Parliament can bind its successor. For example, there was a fixed term parliaments law from 2010 or so that said that you need a two thirds majority to call an election before five years is up (rather than at whatever time suits the incumbent prime minister); when a new Parliament was elected in 2015, one of the first things they did was rescind that law, with a simple majority.

I worry that Farage, friend to trump and follower of Bannon, will become prime minister and lead us to such destruction that we will write an actual constitution, but that didn't do America any good once the supreme court was stuffed with Republicans loyal to trump.

I think the trick is to not elect tyrants, but Putin's propaganda reaches worldwide and the far right is rising everywhere. Perhaps it really will be global thermonuclear war this time.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 26 points 19 hours ago

I never understood why countries allowed digital payments like this. It effectively is like giving up monetary soverenty. Of course later I realized its because debt has been used for currency creation now.

[–] flango@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] flyhunter@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Suddenly caralho

[–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

We've been hearing about the Digital Euro for years. Is it finally happening?

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 32 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Trump really is the great unifyer, goddamn

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 13 points 20 hours ago (17 children)

Sorry to be an ass and english is a weird language but it's spelled as unifier, unify doesn't become unifyer. Why? Because it's a piece of shit language that's why.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Unifyer: Portmanteau of Groyper and Unifier. Invented at the end of 2025 CE, it came to represent the abhorrent character of Fascist leaders like Donald Trump uniting opposing political powers that would normally bicker.

  • The Devil's Dictionary, the most honest provider of words among the literary arts.
[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 4 points 12 hours ago

I like that. It should be a thing.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The US-based financial sector fights it tooth-and-claw at every opportunity. I suspect this kind of legislation is an absolute cash-cow for lobbyists across the continent, in the same way the PPACA made a bunch of influential DC firms incredibly rich.

But can the ECB actually deliver on a useful and efficient method of continent-wide banking in practice? Fingers crossed, I guess. I just wouldn't hold my breath.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

there’s a bunch of FOSS work happening. i believe GNU Taler is specifically this. it’s being funded by the EU

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I hope it sees full implementation

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 8 hours ago

and then wide scale adoption across the globe

[–] elgordino@fedia.io 64 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Visa/Mastercard & Apple/Google Pay typically charge 3% fees

Not in the EU. Visa and Mastercard have been capped to 0.5% for years.

Apple / Google pay take a small cut from the 0.5%

Diversity in payment methods would be no bad thing though. It’s amazing how Visa/Mastercard have managed to insert themselves into almost ever transaction, particularly since contactless became so prevalent.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 9 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I've noticed a few retailers in Canada charging more for credit cards - debit, cash and cheque are all no extra fee's. The only reason I have a credit card is for the rewards and the necessity for things like hotels and car rentals.

If society could work in our favor and not try to force easy credit on us then we would all be better off.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

The CC merchant agreements used to prohibit charging the customer for the charges.

Friend of mine that worked at a bank had a furniture store try to do that, she got hold of some muckity-muck at the CC company while the salesperson watched (after warning them that this wasn't how any of that worked), the furniture store had their credit card machines suspended before she left the building. There was copious wailing and gnashing of teeth that she watched with a smile. She refused their offers of a heavy discount to make a phone call again and walked out.

They removed that part a couple years ago from many of the merchant agreements.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

If everyone wasn't trying to screw everyone else we'd be better off.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

I just bought something from a German online shop. I paid with a direct bank-to-bank transfer, zero fees (as far as I know).

The only problem of course is that this method of payment doesn't have any kind of insurance against fraud, so it works only with already reputable stores. And of course it's usable only in online shops.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

For the love of dog, do not do this with Alibaba sellers if they ask you to. I've never gotten bit but I've heard horror stories.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 hours ago

Not a problem as I would never buy anything from Alibaba or Temu or any such place.

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[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 72 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Ah man, I was kind of excited until it said European-only.

I thought maybe I'd be able to build a till from scratch without purchasing a software suite from IBM written in the 80s.

Right now the best I can do is accept Crypto on such a machine.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

I mean, you absolutely could make a till but you still have to hook it up to a payment provider like Adyen, Stripe or a terminal that handles the payment.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (18 children)

I mean, it's gonna ultimately have to work everywhere

People don't like having cards they can't use when they travel

It's not gonna happen right away, but I don't see how it doesn't end up that way

Edit: although reading more it might not be equivalent to the existing kinds of cards as it seems to be a debit only provision (i.e. potentially lacking a lot of the protection you get from using a credit card as your main purchasing card). Will be interesting to see how this evolves

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