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I'm talking about programs that can't be improved no matter what. They do exactly what they're supposed to and will never be changed.

It'll probably have to be something small, like cd or pwd, but does such a program exist?

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[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

For software to be perfect, can not be improved no matter what, you'd have to define a very specific and narrow scope and evaluate against that.

Environments change, text and data encoding and content changes, forms and protocol of input and output changes, opportunities and wishes to integrate or extend change.

pwd seems simple enough. cd I would already say no, with opportunities to remember folders, support globbing, fuzzy matching, history, virtual filesystems. Many of those depend on the environment you're in. Typically, shells handle globbing. There's alternative cd tools that do fuzzy matching and history, and virtual filesystems are usually abstracted away. But things change. And I would certainly like an interactive and fuzzy cd.

Now, if you define it's scope, you can say: "All that other stuff is out of scope. It's perfect within it's defined target scope." But I don't know if that's what you're looking for? It certainly doesn't mean it can't be improved no matter what.

[–] ne0phyte@feddit.org 1 points 3 minutes ago

If you just need the functionality then fzf does (among other things) exactly that. Interactive fuzzy cd. If you use the shell bindings you can do cd foo/bar/**<tab> to get a recursive fuzzy matching or you can do alt+c to immediately find any subdirectory and directly cd into it upon pressing enter. You can also use Ctrl+T to find and insert a path into the prompt.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I wanted to say VLC because to me, it's the gold standard of fully working open-source software that just destroys the commercial competitors.

But it's not perfect only because society changes. New video formats forces VLC and open-source devs to adapt. Bigger video and new tech specs require VLC to update. If it wasn't for all those external needs, VLC would be perfect.

Did I also mentioned the many times rich companies wanted to buy VLC and they laughed?

[–] thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

emacs can only be improved no matter what but it should count

[–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago
[–] arcine@jlai.lu 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Idk if it's perfect but I really like the "literate programming" version of `

This is not the original, but here is one version of it : https://github.com/zyedidia/Literate/blob/master/examples/wc.lit

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago

Your sentence abruptly ends in a backtick - did you mean to include something more? Maybe “wc”?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

A program that just prints "Hello World" to the screen and quits.

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago

…that supports Unicode? Which encodings? Or only ASCII? Unicode continues to change.

I wouldn't be very confident that it won't change or offer reasonable opportunities for improvement.

[–] oyo@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

mcmaster.com is pretty close...

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago

Do you exclude inventory management from that "will never change" so that that's only about software?

I imagine there will be new products to be listed.

[–] ellen@piefed.social 2 points 7 hours ago

Winamp! It probably had some bugs or security issues but functional it was perfect imo.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago

The original one? Because there's numerous extensions to it. I wouldn't be confident it won't evolve further.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

Didn't IRC have major insecurity issues?

I can't remember why IRC died.

[–] portifornia@piefed.social 75 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Honestly, it all starts going to shite after "hello world."

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 12 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Shouldn't it be "Hello world."?

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 12 points 17 hours ago

No. "Hello, world!" or you're doing it wrong.

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[–] IanTwenty@piefed.social 20 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

There was a moment in time where maybe it was qmail:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qmail

Ten years after the launch of qmail 1.0, and at a time when more than a million of the Internet’s SMTP servers ran either qmail or netqmail, only four known bugs had been found in the qmail 1.0 releases, and no security issues.

More on how it was accomplished:

https://blog.acolyer.org/2018/01/17/some-thoughts-on-security-after-ten-years-of-qmail-1-0/

[–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Djbdns was excellent too, and ezmlm,.in fact all DJB's software was quality for its single purpose. The world moved on though, and you had to have your basic Internet servers just...do more

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

TeX. Best documented source, and last bug found was 12 years ago.

[–] fruitcantfly@programming.dev 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

The 2021 release of Tex included several bug-fixes, so not quite 12 years:

https://tug.org/texmfbug/tuneup21bugs.html

See also the following list of potential bugs, that may be included in the planned 2029 release of Tex:

https://tug.org/texmfbug/newbug.html

That said, Tex is still an impressive piece of software

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks for the update, I somehow missed that.

[–] fruitcantfly@programming.dev 1 points 8 hours ago

To be honest, they didn’t make it easy to find

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 41 points 23 hours ago (2 children)
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

It's on Github and has several PRs.

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 11 points 16 hours ago

It was fault tolerant but I wouldn't say it was perfect. There were plenty of "known issues", and the fix in production was basically, "don't do that".

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 17 hours ago
[–] oce@jlai.lu 34 points 23 hours ago

You may be interested by this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_verification.

Prominent examples of verified software systems include the CompCert verified C compiler and the seL4 high-assurance operating system kernel.

[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] jsnfwlr@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 hours ago

7zip has had few CVEs and vulnerabilities

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 34 points 23 hours ago

Automotive engine control computers.

They just work, for decades and millions of miles.

[–] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 22 points 23 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No; since every user defines the perfect program differently. Which should be the default behaviour(s)?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 11 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

You cannot criticize a good knife by asking why it's not a hammer.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 4 points 19 hours ago

A hammer is a completely different tool, but different defaults in a single program are not.

Point is there's no objective standard for "perfect"

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 15 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Is there a perfect building?

Probably not, since they exist in an environment — which is constantly changing — and are used by people — whose needs are constantly changing.

The same is true of software. Yes, programs consist of math which has objective qualities. But in order to execute in the physical world, they have to make certain assumptions which can always be invalidated.

Consider fast inverse sqrt: maybe perfect, for the time, for specific uses, on specific hardware? Probably not perfect for today.

[–] markz@suppo.fi 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 8 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I don't think such thing as perfect software exist, only abandoned software. If the environment changes, then the software needs changes too.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Notepad.exe, pre-windows 11. Now it's something else entirely but still uses the name :(

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 24 points 1 day ago

Nah it was eternally annoying that it didn't support Unix line endings. Also there are clearly a ton of basic features that people want from lightweight text editors.

[–] edfloreshz@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago

Notepad did what it needed to do, but it could be improved in a lot of ways

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