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Just seeing the list here: https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware

I don't know what to think about it, many incredible open-source projects went downhill, some worse than others, full AI permission usage and some of them even advertise AI providers on README.md. I'm even using many of them myself.

Even the good guys are falling, I'm not sure what to think about it. Am I overreacting maybe?

You might think, that's fine, not a big deal, some of them just allow AI usage, but not AI generated code, but for how long? If you allow use of AI for anything the tendency is that you'll be even more open about it in the future.

List of projects that personally draw my attention or I use eventually:

  • Firefox: not unexpected, but still, I had hope on Mozilla bring more tech awareness on mainstream
  • Spaceship prompt: I use this on my terminal for customization, why'd you need AI for such a simple project?
  • VLC: just sad
  • curl: sad x 10
  • Vim: sad x 20
  • zoxide: they literally promoting AI providers in the README, such a simple tool as well, why?
  • CoMaps/Organic Maps/OsmAnd: the few ones providing a good alternative to Google Maps
  • Element: that's literally the most used client for Matrix I guess?
  • Python: I thought they were the good guys as well
  • Lemmy: unexpected, code of conduct says it's allowed
  • Linux: the final boss, unbelievable

Is there any hope at all? Or am I just overreacting?

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago
  • Linux: the final boss, unbelievable

Shows you don't bother to actually read the mailing list or even just keep up with the open source development discussion.

Linux was probably one of the first places AI was invovled in because it's a well documented highly used software which makes it an easy test bed for LLMs to showcase their abilities.

That was 3 years ago when GPT 3 released.

That absolutely does not mean it has vibe coded slop being added to it. Bad code is still bad code, and Linus will happily tear you a new one (and hand out a ban) for submitting such garbage in a merge request.

Again, these type of posts are dumb and throw outrage at the wrong target. All this anger and disappointment should be directed at the bubble pumping machine like Nvidia, OpenAI, MSFT, etc.

All of these foss project devs would probably have no problem using a local LLM in their work (which many already do) since the hardware requirements have been steadily falling, despite Nvidia's efforts to enforce their stranglehold on cloud demand.

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Oh geez it's almost like using a technology doesn't automatically make you a "bad guy".

[–] JohnDarlen@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Why using technology would make someone a bad person?

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Even the good guys are falling

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Python: I thought they were the good guys as well

It seemed like you were implying that people using AI are bad guys.

[–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

AI has moral issues to begin with. See how people refuse to buy Nestlé products after knowing they use slave labour. AI is worse than that.

[–] JohnDarlen@lemmy.today 2 points 3 hours ago

They comply with AI practices, they surely aren't the good guys.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

VLC providing real-time subtitles seems like a cool feature, no? A reasonable use of AI? Or are they doing other worse/bad things with AI?

[–] JohnDarlen@lemmy.today 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I've watched a few series with AI generated subtitles once and it's real dog shit. They miss some obvious words that completely breaks the immersion of what I'm watching.

On top of that, they're selling this feature as something good, instead of incentivating real subtitle writers that do a pretty solid work.

You'll see more AI slop and less good work from real people.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Ah, dang, that doesn't sound good. And good point about subtitle writers.

Anything to put people out of business, right?

[–] bigbangdangler@reddthat.com 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

As other commenters have said, a key factor hasn't hit yet: AI is artificially cheap because the whole thing is running on a bunch of investor money in a giant loop.

Once some IPOs go through, these companies will be required (by law) to produce a return to their investors. Given the actual costs of the AI chain, that will be extremely, extremely difficult to do, if it is possible at all.

At the very least, expect some mergers / acquisitions as companies try and consolidate to fix the shortfall by reducing competition. Though specifics are hard to pin down, given the complexity of the production chain and the associated energy costs, this likely won't be enough.

The market will self-correct when it's cheaper to do things the old way. Obviously, FOSS projects should fall off the AI wagon pretty quickly, since they're not revenue generating anyway (at least not directly).

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 4 points 11 hours ago

You're not overreacting. Projects enabling AI and ushering in the demise of humanity deserve to die. There's still hope that people will rise up against the machines, but the window of opportunity is closing.

[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

curl is definitely NOT writing code with AI if you follow the newsletter. And wget will never be a valid alternative to curl if you know what they both do. You can safely remove it from the list.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I am personally a fan of xh over curl. Simple syntax IMO.

[–] chocrates@piefed.world 59 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Once token based pricing hits all the major platforms I expect it will slow down

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not long now, Anthropic and OpenAI IPOs incoming, monetization everywhere.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 10 points 17 hours ago

Imagine doing basic business things like having to show an ROI and public disclosure is going to collapse the economy. Lol. Should've happened 2 years ago.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

I’m all for not having vibe coded security vulnerabilities creeping into my apps but that repo lists apps if they’ve ever even attached copilot to an issue/pr which is pretty hard not to do because the button is bigger than attaching yourself to an issue.

[–] rimu@piefed.social 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] MxRemy@piefed.social 20 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Yeah agreed, it's incredibly disheartening... The Starlight Network maintains a NoAI list at least: https://noai.starlightnet.work/

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[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Long story short: LLMs can provide value in software development, especially in senior developer hands. Apparently that value is not something many feel they can just leave on the table.

This doesn't answer the question whether you can separate the tool from it's maker or from how it came into existence or even about possible long-term consequences of it's usage.

But for a lot of programmers these are questions they don't feel compelled to consider, and I can empathize. LLMs are now here and they, like most technology, won't just disappear again for ethical or long-term-risk reasons. Completely shunning them will become a niche, even in the often idealistic world of open-source.

I'm looking forward to when the hype dies down and the general understanding of what LLMs really are and where they are useful becomes more normalized. This whole "AI" nonsense drives me nuts.

LLMs can provide value in software development, especially in senior developer hands.

The value they do provide is in scamming and providing skill atrophy.

[–] jaredwhite@humansare.social 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like you're just laundering marketing talking points from Big AI.

I will continue to participate in a significant, thriving, and very long-lived movement of people writing code for people. When it comes to the slop machines, the battle is just getting started.

[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, I write code for people, too, and still much of it by hand. But there is also a non-trivial portion that can be generated and quickly evaluated. It's not the majority and it's hit or miss, but in aggregate I'm measuring a positive impact. It's far from the insane promises made by the AI companies, but it's measurable, in real numbers. Think more of a 10% increase, not 10x. Is this enough to justify a trillion dollar industry? Doubtful. Is is low enough to be discarded? Not in a serious productivity focused environment.

[–] jaredwhite@humansare.social 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm afraid arguments of mere utility don't hold much sway for me. Asbestos is also very useful as a fire retardant. 🫠

[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 hours ago

Funny: I often call LLMs the asbestos of our time when talking to my colleagues. There are legitimate fears about the long-term consequences. But as with all risks, the industry — myself included — will happily take them until the consequences fully materialize.

You can make a bold bet by shunning LLMs completely and thus avoiding the associated risk if you believe in them strongly. If you're right you stand to be in a fantastic position.

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