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North Carolina Republicans Enact Highly Gerrymandered New Maps (www.democracydocket.com)

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 134 points 9 months ago

In Monday’s House Redistricting Committee meeting, Rep. Destin Hall (R), who chairs the committee, admitted what is abundantly and objectively clear: “Our overarching goal in the creation of this House plan was to create Republican-leaning districts where possible while… following traditional redistricting principles.”

Bruh you aren’t supposed to admit to gerrymandering out loud. Enjoy being cited in the lawsuits, dipshit

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 76 points 9 months ago

Actually gerrymandering is legal if it’s exclusively partisan. They get into trouble when they racially gerrymander

[-] EnchiladaHole@kbin.social 38 points 9 months ago

legal but still wrong

[+] takeda@lemmy.world -104 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Unfortunately both parties are doing it and this is against democracy. Instead of having voters pick up politicians, the politicians are picking up their voters.

Edit: lol about the downvotes, but every single time gerrymandering is done it is for the benefit the party against the voter.

You might be OK with it, because you are supporting the party, but that still takes the voice away from you.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 87 points 9 months ago

GOP: Does something terrible 1000 times

Dems: do that thing a handful of times

People online: see???? Both parties are at fault!!!!1

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

That guy that pulled the fire alarm will be on Fox news for months, but you wont hear about Trump's lawyers

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There are people who say both parties are the same. This is not it. All I'm pointing out is that every time this is done it is in favor of the political party and always against us, the voters and us inexcusable every time.

Make an independent commission, or use an algorithm that doesn't rely on inputs that would allow gerrymandering.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Which party has been calling for independent redistricting?

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Democrats. I support that and clearly one party cares more about democracy than the other, but when I see black I call it black. Any kind of gerrymandering is bad for us, the voters.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 63 points 9 months ago

Ah yes, the venerated “both sides” argument.

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

It’s like when someone gets bullied in a high school and they get suspended as long as the person attacking them, since they threw a punch to defend themselves.

Obviously both are equally guilty of the same exact offense. /s

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

Fuck your ”both parties" bullshit.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

While true, and it doesn't make it right, the GOP started it and have applied it 10x harder. There's no point taking the democratic high horse when that further enables your opponents attacks on democracy, especially when your opponents goal is a Christian fascist dictatorship.

The thing that should concern you is whether they're legitimately fighting to criminalize the practice.

[-] bquintb@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago

This is interesting. Is this a "bothsidzer" or do Democrats really do this as much as Republicans? Anyone got facts on this issue?

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

Gerrymandering wasn't a talking point until the unprecedented Republican wins in the 2010 election that let them control the redistricting process for the majority of states. This led to nearly a decade of republican control in many states that were traditionally purple/mixed.

In previous census years control of state legislations was more balanced, so maybe the Democrats lost a seat in Florida, but they gained one in Ohio, so nationally things stayed about the same. Gerrymandering occasionally got brought up in egregious case, but nothing like today where it gets used as a reason when it's not even applicable.

[-] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

Gerrymandering wasn’t a talking point until the unprecedented Republican wins in the 2010 election

Uh, it's been a talking point for over 200 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

The word gerrymander (originally written Gerry-mander; a portmanteau of the name Gerry and the animal salamander) was used for the first time in the Boston Gazette[b] on 26 March 1812 in

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -2 points 9 months ago

It's been little more than a high school civics question for most of the 200 years. Maybe it got brought out on a slow news day, but it's been a non stop topic since 2010. People were just mad about hanging chads in 2000.

[-] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

It's been an issue for my entire adult life. I've know about it since I could vote and I'm middle aged.

[-] thallamabond@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Forget the chads, I'm still pissed about violent Republicans interrupting the voting process.

First, but not last time I heard about Roger Stone.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 110 points 9 months ago

To the surprise of no one. As soon as they passed those laws over the summer--including the one that explicitly gives each state politician full control to destroy any governmental records that are inconvenient for them--this was inevitable. North Carolina is yet another state that lost its democracy over the last few years. And what will that state's voters do? Most likely nothing.

[-] FUCKRedditMods@lemm.ee 79 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’m in NC and one of my (voting age) coworkers heard me ranting about how republicans keep fucking everything up with evil, unamerican legislation at all levels of government and she was so surprised to hear something bad about republicans instead of democrats that she said:

“Wait, which one is which? I think democrats were.. the ones I don’t like..

What’s the difference?”

As fucking made up as this sounds I swear to god this is as close to verbatim as I can recall. The conversation started with the plastic bag ban in the outer banks that fucking supermajority cuntpublicans overturned— and how everyday republicans consistently vote to destroy the planet, only to benefit some rich cunts and the profit margins of big companies that they have zero vested interest in. It’s unreal how fucking stupid these people are.

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

I worked with a woman that unironically declared "I'm voting red because red is the color of Canada".

[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

So is white.

* stares in First Nations *

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Hey are you in MB by any chance?

[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Milton Bradley?

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah

[-] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

And what will that state’s voters do? Most likely nothing.

What can they do? This process does not involve the average voter.

[-] charles@lemmy.world 49 points 9 months ago

If any of you follow Jeff Jackson for his razor sharp explanation of what's going on in the House, this act will be solely responsible for removing him from the House.

[-] Okokimup@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I started following him on reddit during covid. He provided clear explanations of what was happening behind the scenes. Still does with Congress. Love that guy.

[-] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 13 points 9 months ago

I hope he runs for senate next time a seat comes up.

[-] charles@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

He just announced he'll be running for NC state AG, which is a great way to go for now.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 49 points 9 months ago

It's weird how the cons do nothing to try to actually appeal to (normal) voters for their platform, but instead just engage in trying to rig things in their favor.

[-] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Someone posted the actual numbers for 2016, Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million. That's crazy to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election

Biden won by 7 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election

It's rigged for sure when the popular vote doesn't count.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

The con agenda holds wayyyy too much sway in relation to their actual numbers. We have six con judges in the Supreme Court. The House is wildly out of step with the American people, as well. Of course, the court is also wildly out of step with the American people on their religious makeup, as well. About 1 in 3 Americans are religiously unaffiliated, but for some reason, the court makeup is 100% people from an Abrahamic religion. I don't think even close to a third of our politicians are openly religiously unaffiliated. This country's political system seems geared toward protecting not only a conservative minority, but also upholding a lot of xtian privilege.

[-] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

If we saw what's happening in our country in another country that has a mostly foreign religion, we would think it fucked up for sure. We would see the coup for what it was, that the Taliban and Christians have a lot in common and are practically the same. They actually took away women's right to drive in one of the states. We would see people's rights being taken away left and right and the prison complex as the slave labor it is. We have to start cleaning up our messes.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

In 2000, Al Gore won the popular vote by half a million.it seems to be getting worse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

I can't be the only one confused looking at NC vs LA and GA. SCOTUS told Louisiana to comply with their order and just slapped down Georgia. The specific context and history behind the maps for North Carolina mean it hasn't had the exact same scrutiny.

But by the exact same principle -- partisan gerrymandering is diluting the black population in each district. This seems just a lawsuit away from going the same way as Louisiana and Georgia, but that doesn't seem to be the narrative here. I'm clearly missing something, what is it?

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 9 months ago

The Supreme Court has ruled that partisan gerrymandering is legal (which is a fucking disgrace), so it's only illegal if they can show the gerrymandering is specifically racial in nature. I imagine that makes proving illegal gerrymandering a hell of a lot harder.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

At the same time, you can show the changes in population in a district, and do a mathematic comparison of how much say they previously had vs now.

But that is still harder, yeah.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Gerrymandering starts with a legitimate action but takes it way too apparently. At what point is it illegal? Those other cases focus on racism: youre not giving people a voice because of the color of their skin. However this case focuses on politics. There is no innate protection based on people’s partisan affiliation

[-] Geobloke@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

In democracy, voters pick the politicians. In the USA, politicians pick the voters

[-] graycube@kbin.social 17 points 9 months ago

Partisan gerrymandering only works if people consistently vote for the same party regardless of the candidates. It also helps gerrymandering work easily is that we only have two parties.

[-] SecretSauces@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Honestly, as Republicans continue to do shadier and shadier shit, the easier it becomes for me to justify my vote for the other side.

They are alienating themselves, as it becomes "the hardcore (crazy) Right vs everyone else".

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

People do. Only a small minority of people actually use research and critical thinking in each election. And frankly, they're probably not voting Republican now anyway.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 9 months ago

At this point someone claiming "Republican" as their party affiliation is, in itself, way more than enough reason for me to vote for their most credible opponent.

[-] ULTIMATE_FUCKTRUMPET@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

cooolllll....

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