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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

It was never needed in the past and ads no context that a simple exclamation point or bold letters could do if a person wants to add emphasis.

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[-] running_ragged@lemmy.world 90 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It does add context though.

If I just said “it adds context”, it’s not seen as a counterclaim to your claim. It’s just a new standalone statement.

[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 months ago

This is the correct answer. It doesn’t address the multiple mistakes in English and spelling that the OP ended up writing, though. Nor does it address the spelling variant, although that does not seem to be the particular focus of the original enquiry.

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Nor does it address the spelling variant

Tho = 3 letters, all necessary

Though = 6 letters, 3 unnecessary

So, brevity.

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

Additionally, "tho" is more casual and observational in usage, "though" implies more a more deliberate counterpoint.

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago

Yes, this is a great point.

[-] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

What if you're not into the whole brevity thing though?

[-] acetanilide@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Then use the whole word

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 3 points 10 months ago

The great news about language is you determine how it’s used, so if you want to superfluouate your words, go for it. I suppose the only limitation on how you use language is your ability to communicate with people you need to. And, like, some laws.

[-] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Exactly. An exclamation point or bolding your letters sure does add emphasis, but if you actually wanted to make it a clear counterclaim, though or tho does the job a whole lot better.

[-] RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Did you italicize when you should have bolded? Hate when that happens.

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[-] lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world 77 points 10 months ago

Looking for an explanation, yes? It's a linguistic convention, totally. I mean, you know, we add a lot of unnecessary words, like, serious. It's superfluous verbage. Look, I know it seems to be a recent thing, but it's, like, been going on for a long time, right?

[-] SeabassDan@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

The cheek in this comment, tho

[-] meekah@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I think this has been my favorite answer in any of these threads. So concise and tongue in cheek, I love it.

[-] unreachable@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago
[-] Turun@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago

You sure about that?

superfluous

[-] Slowy@lemmy.world 52 points 10 months ago

Language changes over time tho

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

I’ll be your huckleberry tho.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 7 points 10 months ago

a simple exclamation point or bold letters could do

I’ll be your huckleberry.

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[-] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I just want people to stop using “to” when they mean “too”, maybe it’s my adhd brain, but that is not something I can just read through. It pretty much always throws me off and I have to reread the sentence.

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[-] Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 48 points 10 months ago

Narrator : Unaware of what year it was, Joe wandered the streets desperate for help. But the English language had deteriorated into a hybrid of hillbilly, valleygirl, inner-city slang and various grunts. Joe was able to understand them, but when he spoke in an ordinary voice he sounded pompous and faggy to them.

[-] JPSound@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Upgradde, with two D's for a double-dose of pimpin'.

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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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It's being used as an adversative conjunction, connecting a phrase (usually a clause) with whatever precedes it, in a way that highlights that the precedent would incorrectly imply something. Here's a set of examples showing it:

  1. "That 'tho' is like a 'but'. But it's used at the end of the sentence."
  2. "That 'tho' is like a 'but'. It's used at the end of the sentence tho."
  3. "That 'tho' is like a 'but'. It's used at the end of the sentence."

#1 and #2 are equivalent: the first sentence introduces an information (that "tho" is like a "but"), that information implies something incorrect (if "tho" is like a "but", it goes at the start of the sentence, right?), and the second sentence contradicts said implication (nope, "tho" goes at the end). With the "but" or the "tho", that contradiction is explicit.

Now look at #3 - it sounds like [incorrectly] saying that "but" goes at the end of the sentence, unlike #1 or #2.

A conjunction going after the elements being "conjoined" might sound a bit weird, but it's nothing new, or English exclusive. Latin for example used -que (additive conjunction; "and") this way: first you list the items being conjoined, then plop a -que at the end. (Classical examples: "arma uirumque cano" [I sing the arms and men] and "Senatus Populusque Romanus" [Roman Senate and People]).


Now, on why it's being used this way: there's the spelling and the increased usage.

"Tho" as a short form for "though" is old; Merrian-Webster claims that it was already uncommonly used in the 18xx. It's just that, nowadays, it became more socially accepted in informal writing, due to increased usage. This sort of "grammatical word" (conjunctions, articles, adpositions, copula verb etc.) tends to be rather small, both phonetically and spelling-wise.

And the usage of "though" as an adversative conjunction is attested from the 12th century. Probably even older since cognates in other Germanic languages also have the adversative meaning.

I'm not sure on what I'm going to say next, but I think that the increased modern usage is the result of some changes on how people interpret "but". Some have been treating it as if it contradicted everything said before, like:

  • Alice: "I wanted a banana pie. Not an apple pie."
  • Bob: "Why do you hate apples?"
  • Alice: "I like apples, but I like bananas better."
  • Bob [who stopped hearing at the "but"]: "THAN U DUN LIEK APPLES!"

That probably led to increased usage of "though" because it's used after whatever you said the relevant piece of info. So it's basically a way to cut short an assumption before it even happens.

[-] livus@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

@lvxferre there's an old trend in New Zealand and Australia to put "but" at the end of a sentence too, but.

[-] Corngood@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

I catch myself doing that when speaking, and it always makes me feel stupid. It's like the speaking part of the brain is waiting for the thinking part to add a counter-point, but the thinking part is just like "sorry, I got nothing".

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[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago
[-] thantik@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Chan, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who immediately thought of this, tho.

[-] match@pawb.social 5 points 10 months ago

OP-chan, it's cute uwu tho

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[-] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago
[-] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Chan because it would be rude not to tho

[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Using "though" has a long history.

Tho is just for brevity, like drive-thru instead of drive-through.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

You don't think it be that way, but it do tho.

[-] CombatWombatEsq@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It does soften language that could otherwise be mistaken for harshness tho

[-] Donebrach@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Lo, here we witness the claimant’s protest: “though” be not used in the past under any circumstance and still never shall it be shortened and used colloquially hence—for we all know: language may never change, even in the slightest!

….but really tho

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago
[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

Which one tho

[-] snek@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

It was never needed in the past

Citation needed.

[-] _cnt0@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Maybe. Citation needed, tho.

ftfy

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[-] remotelove@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Now? It's been happening since cell phones became common. It started as lazy typing (or just bad spelling) and it just became a thing shortly after.

Any word that can be shortened was shortened, like ur example. If punctuation isn't understood, it's left out. The worst part of this is that spelling and grammar checkers are "smart", so they integrate slang as "correct" and probably type mistakes for people automatically.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 10 months ago

What's wrong with it tho?

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago
[-] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago

Chan I love Derek Jacobi in this episode tho

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