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It was only in 1969 (nice) that fungi officially became its own separate kingdom.

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[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 81 points 2 months ago

I overheard someone talking about veganism and said they only eat plants. I asked them about mushrooms, “of course it's fine, those are plants”.
No amount of convincing worked.

So I've seen it once.

[-] ShaggyBlarney@lemmy.ca 69 points 2 months ago

Mushrooms are plants in the culinary sense. Like strawberries, blackberries and raspberries are berries in the culinary sense.

[-] kn33@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago

Yup. Inside culinary classifications, fungi don't exist. Outside of culinary classifications, vegetables don't exist.

[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 13 points 2 months ago

Culinary definition doesn't differentiate plants, but mushrooms are vegetables.

[-] Klear@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Separate culinary definitions? That's nuts!

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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

If anything is close to having a consciousness and experiencing an array of emotion, including suffering. That's a mushroom, much more than a plant.

[-] SatyrSack@feddit.org 13 points 2 months ago

The mycelium, maybe. That is definitely not the part of the mushroom that you eat.

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[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

Actual animals are far more likely to feel pain that fungi. Do fungi even have a nervous system?

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago

Fungi are a nervous system.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

We actually suspect they do. They can also display intelligent behavior, from a certain definition of the concept.

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[-] Greg@lemmy.ca 80 points 2 months ago
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[-] Soup@lemmy.cafe 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Is he though? He’s anthropomorphic, speaks clear English, and owns a dog.

Pluto is an animal-shaped person.

Wait no that’s Goofy. Pluto is an animal owned by an animal-shaped person!

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[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 50 points 2 months ago

I think an issue here is that taxonomic and colloquial definitions don't always agree.

Spiders are colloquially bugs, but they're not taxonomically "true bugs" (which is itself a colloquialism for Hemiptera). Tomatos are colloquially vegetables but taxonomically fruits...but afaik vegetable is a purely colloquial term anyway.

And as someone else in the thread mentioned, colloquial berries are not always taxonomic berries.

So...colloquially, "plants" sorta means, "macroscopic multicellular living non-animal thing," but taxonomically it's something else.

[-] Aeri@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

And literally anything is a fish if you try hard enough

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[-] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago

Similarly, “a planet” can be understood in technical or colloquial context which changes the meaning. It can have a specific meaning or a vague flexible meaning, just like with berries.

BTW raspberries are my favorite berries… sort of. Watermelons are pretty good too.

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[-] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 6 points 2 months ago

If you’re talking about tomatoes, the difference is the context, and it isn’t a choice between colloquial vs scientific taxonomy, but between culinary/nutritional vs botany/taxonomy (and). You can talk about either in a colloquial context or a formal context, though generally there isn’t much reason to talk about botany in a colloquial setting.

From a nutritional perspective, mushrooms are generally considered vegetables, too.

afaik vegetable is a purely colloquial term anyway.

I thought you were wrong but I looked it up and I appear to have been mistaken. It makes “tomatoes are fruits, not vegetables” sound nonsensical, as it implies that “vegetable” is a different taxonomical option, when really it’s just a word for objects with a particular collection of traits that are relevant in a different context. What we should he saying is “While tomatoes are not fruit in the food pyramid, taxonomically, they are.” Doesn’t really roll off the tongue, though. Maybe “Tomatoes are vegetables AND fruits!” would solve that?

[-] TeoTwawki@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

but what about berry club? which things count as berries now?

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[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

Fuck you op. Mushrooms are plants, Pluto is a planet, and that's the truth from one edge of this flat Earth to the other.

~disclaimer: this is a joke~

[-] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 months ago

Honestly? Flat earth? It's not even funny as a joke. That entire movement has been so incredibly detrimental, and dangerous. It has shattered families, and been an instruction manual for other conspiracy theorists. And the worst thing of all is that it makes actual, real facts about how the earth is in, in reality, a hollow shell with a breathable atmosphere in its inferior, come across as just as crazy as flat earth. How are we supposed to spread the truth of hollow earth when flat earthers are out there making us look crazy? Just because hollow earth also points out that the government is lying about the earth doesn't mean we're the same! People need to know about hollow earth! Otherwise, we'll never be able to heal the housing market by building condos inside the earth!

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 32 points 2 months ago

It's not a plant or an animal, but a secret third thing.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They're ~~fungi~~ fun guys.

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[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 22 points 2 months ago

If Pluto is a planet, then Ceres is a planet too. CERES RIGHTS!

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Let's just acknowledge that anything big enough to be round is a planet. That's the bare minimum criteria.

Orbit shapes and clear paths don't matter, the Solar system isn't a typical stellar system, many aren't so stable and ordered, especially in binary and triplet star systems. So the pedantry around the shapes of the orbits of the outer kuiper planets is a very silly thing to argue about. After all most orbits in binary and triplet systems aren't even predictable long term, let alone not circular.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

So that makes Earth and Moon a binary planet system. I'm cool with that

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[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 21 points 2 months ago

I've met people who were certain that bugs weren't animals

[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 21 points 2 months ago

Hell I've met people that don't think humans are animals

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 8 points 2 months ago

Interestingly people who don't understand they are animals are the least human

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[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 months ago

Thanks plants vs zombies 😡😡

[-] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 20 points 2 months ago

Pluto is a planet, though. It’s officially considered a “dwarf” planet, and as “dwarf” is just an adjective, it’s still a planet (just like a short person is still a person). The other 8 new dwarf planets (Ceres, Eris, Makemake, Haumea, Gonggong, Quaoar, Orcus, and Sedna) are also all planets - so we have 17 planets total.

Seriously, though. By the same 3 criteria that Pluto isn’t a planet, Mercury isn’t (as it isn’t in hydrostatic equilibrium).

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[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Watermelons are berries. Strawberries are not.

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[-] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 months ago

The definition of planet is completely subjective, whereas the definition of mushroom is based on science and evolution.

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[-] SauceBossSmokin@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

From what I've seen, dudes that care that much about mushrooms are really fun guys.

[-] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 months ago

...this would trigger a friend of mine so badly (fungi enthusiast and Pluto stan). I want to send it, but at the same time... I'm not sure I'd hear the end of it.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Send it and report back. I am interested in subscribing to their newsletter. You'll let them know, right?

[-] Warjac@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I think OP is on mushrooms.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Fun fact: mushrooms are closer to the animal kingdom than to the plant kingdom.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Yeah but we're not eating the whole thing we're just eating its sex organ

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[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

Well they use chitin not celulose for structure so definatly closer to animals than plants.

[-] Today@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I have family in Streator, IL, home of Clyde Tombaugh, so we're die hard planet pluto.

[-] youngalfred@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

Similarly plate tectonics - not fully recognised until the 60s apparently.

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