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Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich endorsed President-elect Donald Trump’s victory, stating it’s “time” to extend full Israeli sovereignty over the occupied West Bank.

This comes as Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu highlighted his alignment with Trump on the “Iranian threat.”

Tensions in Gaza and Lebanon have escalated following recent Israeli airstrikes, with regional leaders gathering in Riyadh to address Israeli actions.

Israeli President Isaac Herzog is set to meet President Biden, though Biden’s influence on Israel may be limited following Trump’s win.

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[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 108 points 1 month ago

Who could have predicted this???

[-] timewarp@lemmy.world 61 points 1 month ago

Every UN country except Israel & the US.

[-] CptOblivius@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

No they knew too, just were ok with it.

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[-] tal@lemmy.today 93 points 1 month ago

I remember commenting a couple months back on one of those "Arab-Americans not voting for Harris" posts, something along the lines of "it's your vote, but I think that you're going to find that you'd rather have Harris than Trump" and listing some past policy moves like the embassy in Jerusalem, and then someone downvoting and responding something along the lines of "identical candidates".

[-] Gaspar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 1 month ago

I'll bet you anything that that user hasn't posted anything in almost a week. Just a hunch.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I've absolutely still seen people making those arguments. It's fuckin' wild.

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[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you bring it up to them now they get PISSED

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[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 81 points 1 month ago

bUt hArRiS sUpPoRtS gEnOcIdE

[-] timewarp@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago

Both can be true, that she supports genocide but that Trump will be worse.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

I really hated all the moaning about people calling out that both are shitty options. The Overton window is so far to the right. Like, yeah Harris is clearly the better option but neither represent any positive moves forward.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

For Palestine? Probably. In so many other options? It's laughable that people think that the two candidates were in any way similar.

Biden, and by extension Harris, have not waved their hands and saved the country (even if they could, which they can't, because we elected politicians not magicians), but they have done leagues more for people than anything the Trump crowd has.

Being ignorant of that is dangerous, but spreading that ignorance is borderline manslaughter for all the people who are going to be hurt because millions of people decided not to show up for this election that did for the last.

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[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

The Harris campaign made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of a +6 points gain. That's the fault of the campaign's calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with Liz Cheney and having the most lethal Military.

I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It's still on the campaign. Blaming voters is just sowing division when we need unity and solidarity to fight against Fascism.

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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

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[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Over 50% of the god damn country voted for a man who has so many major, should-be career ending flaws we don't even need to list them anymore. If he kicked a puppy it wouldn't even make the top 10 worst things he's done. The democrats lost to the stupidest president of all time, a man who's entire economic policy revolves around tariffs that he fundamentally doesn't even understand and who cannot seem to open his mouth without lying.

....and you're here dunking on the people trying to oppose America's blatant complicity in genocide. Well, you sure showed them.

[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 16 points 1 month ago

Tbf the 50% that voted for trump aren't here, plain and simple, so that's why you don't see engagement with them.

The only political engagement you'll see here on Lemmy shifts overwhelmingly left for all parties, so you'll see mostly squabbling between various left factions.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

She does, so does Biden, just not to the extent trump will.

It's fucked up the DNC insisted on taking support of genocide as a binary topic out of this election.

Just think, if they cared more about votes than dark money from a foreign government, trump might not be president elect right now. That was always an option you know? Giving Dem voters what they wanted, not just on this issues but multiple others.

Do you think the gamble was worth it now?

Are you willing to do anything different in four years?

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 14 points 1 month ago

These people will blame us for the next 4 years and then blame us when the next neoliberal party darling loses in 2028. Anything they can do to deflect responsibility, hold anyone accountable, and prevent disrupting the status quo in this great race to the bottom.

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[-] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's a lot of stupidity reflected in these elections.

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[-] small44@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Yes she does

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[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 75 points 1 month ago

Anyone who abstained on grounds of Harris's position on Gaza in my view have blood on their hands in what will not only assuredly he worse for Palestinians under Trump, but also the ongoing attempted genocide in Ukraine by Putin.

They may as well be Trump voters to me and I want nothing to do with them.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

Most of the people spreading that bullshit here were .ml tankies and probably wanted trump elected anyway.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago
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[-] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 32 points 1 month ago

Worse than Trump voters actually. The vast majority of Trump voters have convinced themselves that what they're doing is good, actually, and that the democrats are evil whereas the people who abstained from voting for Harris literally had a choice of a candidate that campaigned on making their number one issue worse, and one that at least attempted to talk about peace deals and decided to just have no impact whatsoever, condemning hundreds of thousands plus to certain death. They claim to be on the side of ending human suffering when in actuality, they're little piss babies that are upset that their 10% of the population doesn't have complete and total control.

[-] joker125@lemmy.world 62 points 1 month ago

LeopardsAteMyFace.

Unfortunately, this time around, for the Americans pretending to actually give damn on social meda, Gaza will be a parking lot soon.

Just as Trump proclaimed.

[-] beanlink@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

People are just getting the consequences of their actions or inaction. My empathy bucket for all of this has broken and I don’t plan on fixing it anymore either.

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[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

Wait, why would it make any difference if Donald is elected?

I thought everyone was saying that Biden and Harris were doing nothing about the Palestinians.

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 29 points 1 month ago

They said they wanted a two state solution. Trump has always been a burn it to the ground guy on that topic.

Biden is Kamala’s boss, so she toes his line while VP, that’s how the job usually works, unless you’re Cheney.

So playing the odds at least there’s a chance of survival with Kamala. With Trump it’s just nuked, but without actual nukes.

But hey, Kamala wasn’t good enough so let’s go with the nukes👍

Once again, human spite has the force to move mountains.

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

i hope all those lefties that refused to vote feel really accomplished now.

congrats, guys! you did it!

you installed a fascist dictator!

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

"We did it, Patrick! We saved Palestine!"

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 32 points 4 weeks ago

To those cowards that didn't vote: This is on you, own it you sniveling weasels.

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[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 month ago

That finance minister is a Kahanist (Israeli fascist), he doesn't just want to annex parts of the west bank. He wants to annex all of the west bank and Gaza while renaming both. As someone living in Israel I've seen how people are already calling the west bank "Judea and Sumera". He also wants to kill all Arabs and Muslims.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 25 points 4 weeks ago

And that’s why I didn’t feel like I was betraying Palestine by voting for Harris

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 16 points 4 weeks ago

Tankies who didn't vote for Harris: We did it! We saved Palestine!

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[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Abstention was already ok with this

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Abstention in Michigan had no faith the Democrats would prevent this.

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[-] maplebar@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I mean, they aren't wrong, are they?

Hamas is all but defeated, Hezbollah is also on their back foot, and even the model caliphate, Iran, has proven to be almost completely ineffective against Israel's defense system. Europe will make empty gestures about war crimes via the toothless ICC, and America is now totally controlled by the Republicans who never wanted a two-state peace process in the first place.

Israel has never in their short history had a better opportunity to go for the power play and deal with the Palestinians however they please, and under Trump we can expect that they won't get even a little bit of push back from the US, regardless of how harsh and violently they want to play it.

I expect a fucking bloodbath and a full annexation of the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and possibly parts of southern Lebanon.

But hey, the American people have spoken, and I guess that's what they wanted.

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[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Fucking war criminals

[-] small44@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Israel is already controlling the West bank directly with settlements and indirectly with the Palestinians authority who arrest resistance leaders but do nothing to defend Palestinians

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