If socialized medicine ends up being called trumpcare omg.
Not that I think we're anywhere close, but I'd always expected it to come under a Republican anyway simply because the Dems always had the excuses that put their people to sleep. It's very opportune for us that this is happening as we head into the Trump years and libs are feeling their Resistance oats.
I mean
Wasn't the origins of the ACA a program Mitt Romney started in Massachusetts
It was also very much not socialized healthcare
The other reason why it could happen under republicans is that single payer healthcare would be a major boon to most other businesses other than health insurance companies and other healthcare system leeches, and those businesses have said so.
Nah, I don't see that as outweighing Republican ideology against the government providing public services. It has a chance under Republicans because they'll be the ones under which the people can be mobilized to force them to do it. Never because they want to.
Oh, I definitely agree that republicans would be ideologically opposed to more public services. I should have added that it could happen under republicans in my dreams.
Gay marriage came under a Tory government.
Libs would oppose it.
jesus yeah you're right
We mustn't let the GOP mess with our healthcare. Look, Obamacare isn't perfect but...
Why not just swallow our pride and coddle Donald Trump‘s ego if it means getting universal healthcare
it wouldn't get through congress, and if it did it would have an "only for white people" clause
Sheeeeei id take Univ.healthcare called "i lick trumps elephant cock care" and smile on the fuckin drive to the clinic
This is what a potential MAGA social democracy modeled as the socdem version of MAGA communism would push for.
This shit makes me so happy. It shows there’s at least a minuscule amount of revolutionary power in this country.
Propaganda of the ddd
Honestly surprised to see boomers getting down with this because normally they'd be the first you'd see rushing over to lap at the boot.
all but the very richest and most insulated know someone who has been or is being killed by the american health care system
Really? Who (as a group) uses more healthcare than the elderly?
That's true but I'm just used to the boomers in my life being bootlickers when they stand the most to win from getting rid of for-profit healthcare.
I've had my great uncle tell me medicare should be privatized, but also supports this guy. Basically they just think Privatized healthcare should work like socialized healthcare because they have brainworms.
bad actors!
They do that all the fucking time. The 'Bart Simpson socialism ballet' meme is real as hell
I just Google'd "Bart Simpson socialism ballet" meme and found nothing
texas not embarrassing me for once
So what is the explanation for why Americans vote to preserve the health insurance industry every 4 years for basically the last century and also an activist immediately became a folk hero for shooting a health insurance industry ceo? I personally have not talked to a single person that couldn't or wouldn't understand why someone would shoot a health insurance ceo.
Because there is one party in the USA called the capital party and there is a faction that likes (gives lip service to) rainbow flags and another that doesn't. Both agree to tear the copper out of the walls to do imperialism.
has some incredible writing on this:
One of the most remarkable things about such moments is how they can seem to burst out of nowhere — and then, often, dissolve away as quickly. How is it that the same “public” that two months before say, the Paris Commune, or Spanish Civil War, had voted in a fairly moderate social democratic regime will suddenly find itself willing to risk their lives for the same ultra-radicals who received a fraction of the actual vote? Or, to return to May ‘68, how is it that the same public that seemed to support or at least feel strongly sympathetic toward the student/worker uprising could almost immediately afterwards return to the polls and elect a right-wing government? The most common historical explanations — that the revolutionaries didn’t really represent the public or its interests, but that elements of the public perhaps became caught up in some sort of irrational effervescence — seem obviously inadequate. First of all, they assume that ‘the public’ is an entity with opinions, interests, and allegiances that can be treated as relatively consistent over time. In fact what we call “the public” is created, produced, through specific institutions that allow specific forms of action — taking polls, watching television, voting, signing petitions or writing letters to elected officials or attending public hearings — and not others. These frames of action imply certain ways of talking, thinking, arguing, deliberating. The same “public” that may widely indulge in the use of recreational chemicals may also consistently vote to make such indulgences illegal; the same collection of citizens are likely to come to completely different decisions on questions affecting their communities if organized into a parliamentary system, a system of computerized plebiscites, or a nested series of public assemblies. In fact the entire anarchist project of reinventing direct democracy is premised on assuming this is the case.
To illustrate what I mean, consider that in America, the same collection of people referred to in one context as “the public” can in another be referred to as “the workforce.” They become a “workforce”, of course, when they are engaged in different sorts of activity. The “public” does not work — at least, a sentence like “most of the American public works in the service industry” would never appear in a magazine or paper — if a journalist were to attempt to write such a sentence, their editor would certainly change it. It is especially odd since the public does apparently have to go to work: this is why, as leftist critics often complain, the media will always talk about how, say, a transport strike is likely to inconvenience the public, in their capacity of commuters, but it will never occur to them that those striking are themselves part of the public, or that whether if they succeed in raising wage levels this will be a public benefit. And certainly the “public” does not go out into the streets. Its role is as audience to public spectacles, and consumers of public services. When buying or using goods and services privately supplied, the same collection of individuals become something else (“consumers”), just as in other contexts of action they are relabeled a “nation”, “electorate”, or “population”.
All these entities are the product of institutions and institutional practices that, in turn, define certain horizons of possibility. Hence when voting in parliamentary elections one might feel obliged to make a “realistic” choice; in an insurrectionary situation, on the other hand, suddenly anything seems possible.
Is this from a book? Or just an essay. I feel like I’ve read most of his books but don’t recognize this
an important thing to realize re: “Americans vote for” is that the winning candidate for nearly every election is “did not vote”. This happens for a variety of reasons but a big one is that many people grasp that voting in national elections doesn’t really do anything and is a waste of time generally
When is the last time healthcare reform was on the presidential ticket?
Obama 08. And he obungled it
Sorry about the Twitter link, I got it from a news article, but I feel like people would be interested in the UHC Group CEO's pep talk to his company.
https://x.com/kenklippenstein/status/1865168652095639586?mx=2
These people genuinely enjoy depriving people of medical care and the sociopathic way they talk around it with pretty corporate lingo is quite infuriating tbh.
These people genuinely enjoy depriving people of medical care and the sociopathic way they talk around it with pretty corporate lingo is quite infuriating tbh.
I read a post a day or two ago, probably here on Lemmy, where the poster said they knew someone who used to work at a health insurance company who described how they had a poster in the office that said something to the effect of "it would be a shame to pay that claim."
The poster thing honestly doesn't surprise one bit. It's like the horrifyingly unfunny version of the scene of Mr. Incredible working in the insurance industry.
I just realized how bleak that is...when children's movies from back in the day were making commentary on the healthcare situation in the US. And yet, that CEO still thinks they are "vital" to the healthcare industry. What a fucking joke.
This makes me want to go back in time to smack the people who, during the semi-serious discussions of having a public option for healthcare in the US, fell for the whole "death panel" fear tactic that was used against it.
For anyone curious, the intersection of those roads is enough to uniquely identify this photo as Denton, Texas.
Everyone I know supports this. It's really funny how conservatives are trying to reign in their followers agreeing with the assassin.
We just need to confirm thus isn't some brainworms take on DDD as the nutters love to put their own spin on things
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