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Tag yourself: I'm the private landlords sharing their assets with the solarpunk community

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[-] x87_floatingpoint@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago

AI-driven education

Is burning down the planet for the sake of creating AI slop somehow "solarpunk" now? Did they ask ChatGPT to create this chart, or what?

Global fund: A for-profit foundation with goal of becoming the world's biggest pool of wealth

Green businesses: businesses focused on [blah blah blah] before profits

So are you chasing profits or not? Can't even be internally consistent in your own flowchart.

[-] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's so silly when people want for-profit usage of capital, land and labour, but then also want capitalists to act against their interest, all without any sort of measures of enforcement.

Like, do these people think that the worst sum on this planet is just going to surrender their wealth out of their own good will?

[-] Rom@hexbear.net 39 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It doesn't even abolish landlords, what kind of weak ass shit is this. Read some fucking theory.

Put pressure on governments to minimize their power

Yeah I'm sure that will work

[-] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 30 points 4 days ago
[-] CredibleBattery@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago

we go out and make a lot of noise together on wednesday afternoon and have the police cave our skulls in, repeat every week until we are all dead or in the super-panopticon

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago

Ah, well, nevertheless!

[-] BashfulBob@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Hey, quick question. Where are "Green Businesses" getting those necessary goods?

I'm sorry, perhaps I stuttered. Let me try that again. honk-enraged WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THEIR RESOURCES?!

big-honk Get back here and answer the question!

[-] TheDrink@hexbear.net 39 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I just want to say that I clicked over to that thread with an open mind. And then the second spot on the flowchart read "AI-driven education" and it slammed my mind shut.

edit: Okay I think the general idea here is to form landowning non profits that reinvest the money they generate into green communities, slowly taking over by expanding within the system as it already exists. That's not a new idea, that's the same old "form a commune in the Bay Area" idea that's been tried many times and always results in either a cult or your shared living arrangement being bombed by the cops (or both!).

[-] Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net 33 points 4 days ago

"Less taxes" right there in the middle is giving something away methinks. This just seems like a great way to lessen the power of government and empower landlords and corporations who will pretty promise to not be mean.

[-] falgscode@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago

I like the for profit global fund.

Looking forward to this replacing effective altruism as the reinvention of indulgences in a few decades.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago
[-] Midnight_Pearl@hexbear.net 33 points 4 days ago

solarpunk lasted like a month before it got co-opted by the kind of people who watch kurzgesagt

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago

Oh no, the neoliberal techbros stole solarpunk from the reactionary socialists!

[-] goferking0 5 points 3 days ago

I thought it was just people trying to make a positive cyberpunk, while missing the entire point of cyberpunk

[-] Piment@hexbear.net 38 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I don't want to be too mean to solarpunk people because a lot of them are at least kind of in the right direction, but going into canva and making a solarpunk flow chart might be the larpiest thing I've ever seen, what a new idea, no one has ever though of doing mutual aid and community gardens before

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago

I don't want to be too mean to solarpunk people because a lot of them are at least kind of in the right direction

The vibes are arguably in the right direction but many of the actual components of the aesthetic are vapid and reactionary.

https://missolivialouise.tumblr.com/post/94374063675/heres-a-thing-ive-had-around-in-my-head-for-a

https://www.re-des.org/es/a-solarpunk-manifesto/

Thankfully it's an aesthetic rather than a real ideology, so I don't expect political re-education to be especially difficult.

[-] frauddogg@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

Thankfully it's an aesthetic rather than a real ideology,

so-far

[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago

No need to be mean to them but definitely do not respect them in any way

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 31 points 4 days ago

I thought solarpunk was just like "let's do brutalism with more greenery", what the fuck is this shit

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 31 points 4 days ago

Solarpunk is a 100% vibes-based "ideology" where the aim is to get to a future that looks like this

It has no other political goals.

[-] Owl@hexbear.net 30 points 4 days ago

Never trust a utopian concept art that doesn't have benches.

[-] frauddogg@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

This looks like AI slop so much

[-] ProgAimerGirl@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago

"solarpunk is cryptofash" i scrawl on the blackboard for the 999th time. once more, with feeling!

[-] invo_rt@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago

private landlord

landlord-spotted

[-] frauddogg@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago

Y'know I already thought 'solarpunks' were pie-in-the-sky aesthetes just based off their inability to plan even the first steps for their utopia-- but seeing this? Honestly I'm just starting to think it's a white cryptofash movement JUST from the "Non-solarpunk Citizens" bubble. Tell me this mfer never read a LICK of theory without telling me. The object is to reduce the amount of wretchedness of this earth; not increase it to bait more people into your aesthetic-driven ideology.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

The OP is being pretty rightfully dunked on in his own post, with most people saying that it doesn't fit their orientation at all.

If solarpunk has any meaning beyond pretty verdant pictures, it would include "human-scale energy usage" as a core principle. If anything, the alienation from energy at point of acquisition is one of the biggest pieces of sorcery required to make capitalism function.

[-] frauddogg@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago

The OP is being pretty rightfully dunked on in his own post,

Small mercies there, but that still doesn't really change my view of solarpunk as more or less a bunch of aesthetes who can't even get distribution of surplus crop around their communities right

[-] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago

This chart might be the biggest waste of 30mg Adderall in human history and that's saying a lot.

[-] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 days ago

Where is the part for funding the solar punk army to defend against bourgeois assault against anything that challenges their system?

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

That's George Orwell 1984 tankie authoritarianism, you red fascist

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago

That is one Escherian-ass flowchart

[-] Ath3ro@hexbear.net 22 points 4 days ago

Wheres the role for CEO killers

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago

Posadism but instead of aliens its just about good vibes saving us

[-] Frivolous_Beatnik@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago

Immediately

AI-driven education

oh fuck off

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago

Yeah I stopped reading right there. Even if it was 100% effective and accurate education, the resource consumption isn't worth it. What's the point in adopting sustainability practices if you're going to immediately destroy the environment with your bazinga app?

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago

Also, they seem to be operating under the assumption that the Capitalists will play by the rules

Remember the GameStop Stock fiasco? They literally went "No, you cannot do this" and flipped the table for everyone

It's liable they will respond and violently, I may add

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

so large amounts of people will be unemployed, given a less than minimum wage UBI. Porky very happy.

this is so supply side brained.

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago

Solarpunk is of neo-Nazi character and is to be treated as such! khrushchev-fist

[-] Thorngraff_Ironbeard@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This is a lot of work to do for some thing that won't work. I'd rather stick with the tried and true ultimatum of hand over your lands or be shot.

[-] Blakey@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago

Jesus, that bottom right pane. Why is it always ecofascism.

[-] TerribleHands@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

Wait what? Can you explain?

[-] Blakey@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago

Funding is explicitly to come from "non-solarpunks" who live emiserated lives. Sounds like imperialism brought home to me.

[-] TerribleHands@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

I read that as 'we sell food to other states in exchange for funds', which is just normal global economics, but the rest of the chart is so odd that maybe I shouldn't be giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[-] Blakey@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

It's the combination of that and the "Global Fund" that combine to give me fash vibes.

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

so many ways this falls apart with just 1 single selfish asshole, even if the rest of it didn't already suck

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

Could have saved themselves alot of trouble if they just wrote "I love corporations and landlords"

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

The more I read the more this looks like some scifi/fantasy version of Dengism without any thought given to how it would defend itself from capital/imperialism etc.

The CPC exists already you dorks, and it's doing way more to save the world than making silly flow charts.

[-] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I've never seen a useful flowchart in my life

edit: maps of rivers don't count

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