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[-] verstra@programming.dev 3 points 5 hours ago

Don't call it "free", it sounds like you are so out of touch with reality that you don't know that healthcare has costs.

The word is "universal". In my country, I paying for healthcare, but not as much as wealthly people here do. That's the main argument for it: the rich subsidize healtcare for the poor.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 23 points 12 hours ago

To be clear, it isn't free healthcare. In Canada we pay our taxes and the government administers the health insurance system. In Ontario where I live it's the Ontario Health Insurance Plan. It covers most doctors visits and most treatments. I have Hodgins Lymphoma and am nearing the end of my treatment. Dozens of doctors visits, CT scans, x-rays, an echo cardiogram, a respiratory study, two PET scans, and all the drugs and the only thing I've paid for out of pocket is parking, and the hospital where I'm being treated just put in free parking for cancer patients and gave me a parking pass. Our government negotiates the price of drugs at the national level and regulates drug prices. Companies aren't allowed to raise the price of a drug that is on the market unless there is a corresponding improvement in benefit to the patient. They can't add a coloured band to a capsule, rename the drug (Losec to Prilosec, for example) and double or triple the price. Generic drugs are the same. That's why epipens are $100 here and not $600 like in the US. There has been no substantion improvement in their benefit to patients so the price can't go up.

Universal healthcare isn't perfect but 22 of 23 highly developed countries in the world have it and the US profits before people system is grotesque.

[-] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 13 points 9 hours ago

I don't think many Americans in favor of universal healthcare think it's going to cost nothing. Of course, taxes will increase. But we already pay for private healthcare. Most of us via a payroll deduction.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

We do as well. I have private coverage for things that OHIP doesn't cover like a private hospital room, massage, physio, and other therapies, eye glasses, dental, and prescription drugs. It's much, much cheaper than in the US because it is single payer and heavily regulated.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 19 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I think their issue is everyone getting it. In American culture and Christianity, love must be conditional.

Only correct behaviour would mean you get rewarded/supported.

Their issue isn’t giving it away for free, their issue is not being able to classify certain members of society as a underclass that don’t deserve anything unless they conform to their values.

So it’s about power and control. Universal health care means you have no power over these individuals and what values they live by.

[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

They don't want the possibility of helping everyone, there could be someone they don't like in there!

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago

Yeah why dance all night when you can go join a mob and shout angrily at passersby all day?

[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 8 points 15 hours ago

She just wants to dance

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 45 points 23 hours ago

There's no virtue signalling in paying taxes

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

Make a big show of making your tax records public

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago

But there could be

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 81 points 1 day ago

Charity is the bandaid covering a societal failure

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 5 points 12 hours ago

I once tried to explain this to someone Christian, they just called me selfish.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

A bandaid that lets wealthy people get an ego boost and a tax write off

[-] Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 16 points 19 hours ago

Let’s not forget that they create charitable ‘foundations’ which then work with lawmakers to create legislation, thus giving themselves greater influence over the relevant laws as well.

I don't like the term "free healthcare", because most of us would be paying for it in taxes, it would be more accurate to call it "socialized healthcare".

Saying "I want free healthcare" allows the media to twist your words and make you look like some "entitled brat" that "want everything for free".

[-] credo@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

Insurance is already a socialized program- just a private one. Creating public health care simply removes the profit incentive.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 5 points 13 hours ago

Universal healthcare

[-] Demdaru@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

Or ya know, simply Public Healthcare. Because it's for public. End of topic.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago

Keep it simple and call it “healthcare”. No need to qualify it with anything.

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 34 points 1 day ago

The ones who still think Obamacare and ACA are different things definitely need a catchy label and marketing if they're gonna vote for it.

Or just lie to them, their own leaders have learned it doesn't matter what you tell them. Call it the "everyone gets a puppy" Bill or whatever. Then tell them they got a free puppy. They won't know they didn't.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

They won't know they didn't.

We have concepts for a puppy.

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago

That was a bit of hyperbole. But we could always say "if you didn't get a free puppy, it's because Trump and his Republicans hate puppies"

[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago

This is exactly what we need to do. Its literally the only way to combat a populace that simply does not want to be educated. Just fuckin lie, then post your actual platform online. People who actually care will read it, everyone else will think that the dems are campaigning on eliminating the sun to cool the earth during the summer, and during the winter well just tow a new sun to orbit.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 15 hours ago

It healthcare has a own risk (literal translation, I'm not sure about the English term) in which the first costs are out of pocket until you reach a certain amount (400-800 depending on your insurance package).

So it's not 'free' as you don't pay for all of it, but you can't go into crippling debt over medical payments.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 13 hours ago

I think you're talking about deductibles. But in the truly socialized healthcare system you wouldn't have deductibles anyway because you don't pay out of pocket for anything.

Under the UK system you do pay for some drugs as an outpatient, but we're only talking like £6 (honestly it makes you wonder why they bother). But you never pay for in-house medicine and you don't pay for procedures at all.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 11 hours ago

I was just arguing against the 'free' bit of the argument. But I agree with you.

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

It sort of is free though.

With private healthcare your coverage price goes up with medical needs. So the one time you need healthcare is the one time that you have to pay more for it.

With socialized healthcare you just pay the same base rate as everyone else, regardless of if you have complicated medical needs or not. Also in socialized healthcare if you don't have a job you don't pay anything, but you still get medical care.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 20 points 1 day ago

But that sounds like socialism! We can't have that!

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[-] withabeard@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Single payer healthcare is fine.

The single payer is the government

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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Freedom Care! Patriot Care!

Name it whatever. How do we get it?

[-] Sc00ter@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago

Thats the problem. The media and too much of the usa wouldnt accept "socialized healthcare" becuase that sounds like socialism and enough people arent educated enough to know what that really means

Medicare For All

Universal Healthcare

Single-Payer System

Whatever, someone needs better PR

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[-] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

In countries with government provided healthcare for all, we still do dance marathons to pay for bits of it. Ugh maybe it's just the UK.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 13 hours ago

The marathons and stuff are to raise money for research more than to raise money for healthcare.

[-] Demdaru@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

In my country there are multiple foundations and charity events, but these mainly aim to equip hostpitals rather than fund care. New equipment costs a lot in quantity hospitals need, and on gov money it would slowly trickle in. Meanwhile such events and foundations can greatly boost the speed of modernization.

There are aims to help with care funding, but that's pretty much explicitly cancer cases where we need top-of-the-line treatments that are not available on public healthcare.

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[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago
[-] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 13 hours ago

You didn't even put an Instagram filter on it. Are you even trying?

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