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[–] Verdorrterpunkt@feddit.org 2 points 2 hours ago

Mine broke because of a faulty TI chip :/ At least i got my money back

[–] polysics@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago

They are, in almost every way, taking the console model approach. Updates when there is a significant generational leap and not just yearly updates because AMD made a slightly faster APU (though they did the switch to switch OLED thing but no one complained about that because they kept the LCD models for sale and the OLED really is nicer), selling at a loss (and making up for it in game sales) and of course, the ease of use that a console interface offers over a traditional PC interface.

Then they step it up beyond that by making it as open as possible (software/emulation, games from any source, it's really a PC) and making the hardware repairable (making parts available and easy to fix in the first place,) and of course, cheap games and practically every game you'd ever want.

What the other handheld PC companies are lacking is (with some exceptions) repairability, that console experience, and price. Us nerds that can do whatever with technology will do it, so a legion or an ally or a gpd will sell just fine to that demographic, especially for the frame rate chasers. But for most of the rest of people, they would just get a switch or a PS5 or Xbox because it's just plug in and game, and at least in the case of a Switch or Xbox S, the cost of entry is way lower than a PC, be it a gaming desktop/laptop, or even many of the handheld PC competitors. Yes you can build comparable cheap PCs to an Xbox or PS5, but that means building a PC, and most people don't want to do that (I'm not talking to you, I know you have a sweet rig.) Yes I know games on PC are usually cheaper especially Steam sales or key seller/bundle sites, but console gamers often don't consider that, and initial cost of entry is very important to non-enthusiast type people in any given hobby.

There's a reason why Nintendo consoles sell so well despite being behind the competition in raw horsepower. It's the console model (and in their case aggressive exclusivity of their famous IPs)

The things keeping Sony and Microsoft in the competition are basically the console ease of use, and their all you can eat subscriptions. Even they both realized that they can get more sales putting their games on PC, but that still means forking over MSRP for a single game, so those ps+ and gamepass subs are keeping them afloat at this point.

I'm a huge tech nerd and have been deep in related industries for over 20 years. I know how to do whatever I want with any pc hardware or software, I own a steam deck, and a rog ally, a proper beefy gaming desktop, a gaming laptop, a Switch, and a PS4. Despite all that, in the past 2 years, easily 90% of my gaming has been on the Steam Deck. It does everything I need it to and more, and it does it anywhere, anyhow. If I want to tweak and tinker with it I can, but more importantly, I can just PLAY GAMES with almost no friction. At home, on a break at work, at the airport waiting for my flight, cozy in bed, wherever, whenever, and fast, and easy.

The Steam Deck is the swiss army knife game device that childhood me always dreamed of, and now it exists. That is why it's outselling it's competition, and genuinely making PC gaming a viable thing for the masses. No it won't beat Nintendo anytime soon, but it's gaining steam on them and other consoles faster than any other attempt ever has before, and it will only get better.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I would like Gabe to with the EU to make a EULinux. They both have respective reasons to get away from Microsoft's control over software, and I would very much like to daily drive a Linux without worrying about game compatibility. Unfortunately, I am stuck with Windows because I play many obscure or old games, and simply hate dealing with technical hassles enough as it is. Here's hoping that Linux becomes good enough within a couple years from now.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think the biggest hurdle against transitioning away from Windows to Linux for most government offices isn’t the OS itself - but rather the MS Office suite!

You’d honestly be surprised how pervasive Excel is amongst white collar workers; and I think the biggest hurdle is the uncertainty of compatibility (of formulas, macros, workbook links etc.) from Excel to Open/Libre Office alternatives.

[–] JayDee 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

My understanding is that Libre Office is the closest to actually being a good replacement to Excel. Having used Libre Office's Excel equivalent, it does not feel good to use (then again, neither did Excel).

I'm not sure if we'll ever be able to replace the Microsoft office suite - Microsoft owns the rights to those softwares' workflow paradigms IIRC, and people who have been taught those workflows are not going to abandon them. I mean, we've not even managed to move away from the staggered qwerty layout that was established for typewriters in the 1870's. I think the only options are for schools to either adopt new paradigms (using opensource software as teaching tools) over mass adoption in industry.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

I’ll give Libre Office a crack over the weekend, if/when I get my Bazzite installation going and will see how it goes; I wonder just how much support it has for the newer functions that have outputs that overfill into adjacent cells (e.g. UNIQUE)?

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Here's hoping that Linux becomes good enough within a couple years from now.

I jumped head first into Linux without any prior knowledge a year-ish ago, I went and chose what seemed to be a simple distro (Debian) and later found out it’s one of the more difficult distros out there (also most native packages are outdated) and some how made it work day to day.

Basically every game on steam is Linux compatible and a good handful of popular anti-cheats have partnered with Valve to ensure proper compatibility.

Now the problem is, game producers (like Ubisoft & EA) have been pushing this rhetoric that Linux users are all cheaters & hackers and intentionally prevent users from connecting to their servers or even launching the games.

I think the switch isn’t as bad as you make it seem. Hope I provided some insight.

Edit - dropping ProtonDB (fixed the link)

[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I ply in games that aren't sold on Steam, that require Japanese locale, do mods, and so forth. Edges cases even on Windows can be a problem. My efforts with trying to get into Mint, made it clear that issues would pop up.

Linux is an good idea, but not yet suitable for intermediate users.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 hours ago

I love when my hands get dominated

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Until more recently when they started getting competion, what other handheld gaming PCs even existed?

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

there's always handheld gaming pcs being released and going nowhere. the current generation includes the rog Ally and the Lenovo legion.

if you don't follow this stuff religiously you've probably never heard of them, but they are out there. it's just that no one really buys them.

the steam deck is the first successful one, but companies have been trying to make something like this for years.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 hours ago

GPDwin for example?
I always wanted a mini laptop basically as big as my current phone but actually mobile.
Sadly I didnt have enough F-U money :(

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 10 hours ago

There's been a handful but nothing I could name off the top of my head and the specs meant anything more impressive than Super Meat Boy might be out of the question.

Just cheap crappy Windows 8 tablets for the most part, with controller buttons tacked on.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

The first one I had was a GPD Win 2, in like 2018/2019-ish. You could do some fairly recent 3D stuff on it at the time, but it was better for 2D games.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] wax@feddit.nu 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, you've got a nice deck, okay??

[–] Kitathalla@lemy.lol 4 points 10 hours ago

I trimmed the bushes around it so it looks bigger.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 14 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Personally, I think the Deck is too big for my tastes, but the beauty of the ecosystem is that anyone can make one while still having almost all the Deck features.

I'd love to have a Vita or even PSP sized Steam handheld with a great screen for smaller titles, but that comes with its own problems

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 11 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

At some point you're going to struggle to put a capable x86 machine in a device that small.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago

Might run into trouble with UIs as well, but the heart wants what the heart wants.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah the one big thing Valve probably won't touch is ARM because unlike WINE, that's a whole other beast in which the only valid solution is for game devs to compile for ARM, because translation layers like Rossetta and Box64 will always have 20-30% performance losses.

[–] pycorax@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

There's been reports of Valve looking at ARM for Proton actually but x86 chips keep getting better and more efficient. Not to mention Mali and Adreno are laughably bad compared to Radeon and Arc.

[–] raptir@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

I think the Deck is too big for my tastes

That's what she said.

Honestly though I love the size of the deck but could even go a little bigger. Agree that as more manufacturers start using SteamOS it will be great to have options.

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[–] 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They better release a new one before I break down and buy a new "gaming laptop" because I sometimes game.

[–] the_q@lemm.ee 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What are you playing that needs more then the deck currently offers?

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] gallopingsnail 1 points 8 hours ago

Both Euro and American truck sims run just fine on my Steam Deck. Not on max settings, mind, but it's good enough for the small screen.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 40 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

If you're just looking for sales numbers, which we haven't had much of for a long time, the long and short of it is:

4M Steam Decks since launch, 2M of all of its competitors combined; expected that all handheld PCs sharing this AMD tech will sell about 2M more this year.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 38 points 17 hours ago (13 children)

To put it in perspective there are 150 million Switches and 75 million PS5s out there. And 15 million Wii Us, if anybody is counting. This puts PC handhelds some ways ahead of the N-Gage and well behind the Game Gear.

I'm less concerned about who's ahead in the handheld PC market and more interested on whether it'll ever become a mass market space. I think a lot depends on prices for integrated GPUs not skyrocketing like their desktop counterparts and their performance stepping up a notch or two. We'll see.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago (7 children)

It's worth keeping in mind what's different here though. If the Steam Deck came out in the early 90s, it wouldn't be analogous to the Game Gear; it would be competing with the Nomad. It plays the same games as a PC but handheld, so it's capturing specifically the market that wants to extend that library to be handheld as well. Every Switch sold is handheld, but outside of the Switch Lite, we don't know who values that system for its handheld capabilities (I basically never used my Switch handheld back when I actually used it). There was also literally no competition for it when it launched, so it will be interesting to see how many opt for a handheld PC instead when the handheld part is what they're looking for.

Additionally, there's this rising market segment of mini PCs that are powered by the same tech that's in these handhelds. I've got one that I like to bring around for local multiplayer games, and if you only ever intend to use a computer at a desk for basic documents and web browsing, they can undercut low-end laptop prices for the same level of power and run the same operating system. Based on recent rumors, this tech could wind up in a new crop of Steam Machine-esque consoles very soon but with the library problem more or less solved compared to ten years ago.

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[–] 58008@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago

pls to meke stem controller 2 🥲 😻

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