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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think they're a goddamn idiot. I like it more when people tell me that they don't have enough time to think about this shit and so they don't have an opinion.

[–] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago

"I believe good things but don't want to actually sacrifice anything or be responsible for any of my actions that my prevent good things from happening"

[–] Roundeyegweilo@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Someone who is a conservative who has a gay friend or a gay kid that they love and accept.

[–] afronaut@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Barely even that. Someone who likes marijuana is more likely.

[–] Roundeyegweilo@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago

I'll agree with this too.

[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I prefer to use the term fiscally responsible.

It's fiscally irresponsible to cut taxes for the billionaires and corporations when we have record deficits.

It's fiscally irresponsible to cut the IRS budget when that results in less revenue.

Republican voters have been brainwashed into thinking that Republicans are somehow more responsible with the economy and budget, when history shows that Republicans drive up the deficit with irresponsible tax cuts.

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[–] mosscap@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 day ago

"Socially liberal" right up until the point that we start talking about worker's rights, the dignity of poor people, and the exploitation of cheap slave labor on the other side of the world

[–] KingOogaBooga@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I don't want to be included with the rest of the domestic terrorists in my political party.

[–] lack@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"I'm simple and don't bother to look deeper into anything"

[–] Brutticus@lemm.ee 25 points 1 day ago

"I dont mind the gays, but I keep voting for Fascists because right wing talking points about how Unions make the prices of eggs go up."

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago

Usually they are lying. It means they hate poor people.

[–] bluegreenwookie@bookwormstory.social 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As someone who said this when they were younger

"Uninformed idiot"

now that I'm older I'm fully liberal since i am more informed.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

But don't you know? YoU'Ll gEt mOrE cOnSeRvAtIvE aS yOu AgE! Biggest fucking lie of my life.

[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago
[–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 days ago

"I pay lip service to minorities, but don't want to allocate resources to their needs"

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Every discussion I've had with someone who said this has led me to expect ignorance. I think its something people who don't know much like to say because they think it sounds good.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If they're American I would point out that they have no representation for their conservative views because there is no fiscally conservative party in the United States.

[–] MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago

I always just reference this article:

https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225

And say the modern Republican party started with Nixon.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

"I vote Republican, but I'm self-aware enough to know that I should be embarrassed about it." (In the US)

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So many people with such brutal takes on it -- helps to quantify who the audience is on lemmy I guess.

Socially liberal fiscally conservative, to me at least, means that the person is in favour of equality in the sense of equality of treatment from the government, but is not in favour of additional big spending projects to try and have equality of opportunity. They're pro-choice, but likely against the government funnelling money into providing abortions for women (so abortions available, but not gov subsidized). They're pro-trans rights in terms of being fine with whoever doing whatever they want with their body/partners of choice, but against government paying for trans-specific gender affirming procedures and parades to highlight those groups. They're in favour of things like universal medicare/dental care, because those programs are shown to be a net benefit fiscally and socially.

In general, they support socially progressive ideas, so long as they're fiscally costed out and beneficial to the public purse. They're against increased government spending / reach, preferring 'small government', with the social components placed more on individuals to fund directly.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They’re in favour of things like universal medicare/dental care, because those programs are shown to be a net benefit fiscally and socially.

I've never met someone who was "socially liberal fiscally conservative" who believed this.

They're usually pro good things, but they don't want to pay for them, so they're not actually pro those things at all.

"Small government" and "private individuals will handle it" typically means it just won't happen.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For starters, the question wasn't, as far as I know, asking how the ideology / stance fairs in terms of implementation / reality. Like you can give a description of what a communist believes, without having to try and explain Communist Russia / China.

In terms of medicare/dental care, yes, there are soc lib fisc con people that do believe that. Likely not people in the USA, where everything skews right wing -- their soc lib is more like "I have a black friend! I'm not racist!". In more sane countries, there are a good number of people who fall into that ideological mindset, who do support public utilities/health initiatives -- it's pretty common here in Canada, based on people I've spoken with.

Like a soc lib fisc con person I know, has previously suggested that we ought to change how roads / cars are handled -- arguing that cities shouldn't have anywhere near as many cars, and that common "paved" roads should be essentially relegated to highways/freeways due to the cost and ecological impact. In their take, city budgets are often bloated by road repair costs due to the over-engineering of what's required for regular residential activity. Using other road materials would dramatically increase sustainability -- and even if it results in more 'maintenance' cost/road tolls for car users who still insist on using cars, that's up to the consumer. I don't know if they were talking nonsense, but that's the sort of thing I sometimes hear people in the soc lib fisc con camp say.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I suppose you this touches on how I'm in the US, where everything is skewed towards insane nonsense. It would be extremely unusual to find a conservative of any sort here that would support anything remotely anti-car, for example. Even if it would save money.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it's not too surprising that it'll have slightly different contexts in different regions.

[–] Salvia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

C-c-c-conservative combo-breaker!

Edit: Sorry, I just wanted to say that. But I do think that falls under right wing with a sprinkle of social moderate leftism but even so, the debate of "can gays have the same rights as all of us" takes away from the ultimate leftist pov of "we should all have better material conditions as a class, including minorities".

Edit 2: and fiscally conservative is ofc "you keep whatever pennies you may or may not have, I got money Idgaf I'm not giving it away" which is the misunderstood antithesis of the concept of the far left.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

“I’m a republican, and I will consistently, and wrongly, vote in what I think are the best interests of my wallet while paying lip service to liberal social ideals. “

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[–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

They don't want to pay money for social spending they don't realize they benefit from while wearing the costume of an ally.

[–] JandroDelSol@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

"I don't care about minorities enough to sacrifice anything about my way of living."

[–] jmankman@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 1 day ago

I think in terms of American politics this means you are buying the shit that both sides are peddling to distract you from what the actual problems are and what is actually causing them

[–] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 183 points 3 days ago (9 children)

"I'm an uninformed idiot."

Conservatives are fiscally reckless. Look at every conservative president's deficit spending, and economic crashes. Look at the states most dependent on federal funds.

Even if you had zero morals and voted 100% on fiscal policies, the best choice is very clearly not conservative.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Having grown up in a conservative household in a red state (US), and having thought this as I transitioned away to more liberal stances as I learned more about the world, I have to say: Spot on. I was an uninformed idiot.

[–] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The worst idiots are the ones who never admit when they're wrong. Having the backbone to admit an error, change, and and move on speaks volumes.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 6 hours ago

True, I went through that phase as well. It usually came with a side of insecurity. Just happy to have grown in more than just age.

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 98 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

I link this article every time the discussion comes up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party

The first paragraph is a doozy.

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[–] Brotha_Jaufrey@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago

“I don’t hate women and minorities but I don’t see anything wrong with an economy built off of their exploitation.”

[–] TeoTwawki@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think the person saying it wants to avoid family or acquaintances giving them shit for not sharing their political views.

Most of my family is very conservative stereotype vile people. I've heard that exact phrase from the few left leaning relatives as they try to wigle out of unconfortable conversations. I myself am the black sheep that just tells the repugnicans that their views disgust me.

[–] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

As someone who calls himself that:

"I am a liberal but the liberal want to go after the upper middle class instead of after the top 0.1%"

P.S: I'm from Switzerland, so don't tell me about Trump. I knoe he's a fascist and I would have voted against him. But here in Switzerland we have more moderate choices.

[–] Oberyn@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Just buncha utter bollocks

[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

"I'm an upper middle class asshole but Republicans are terrible company and won't smoke weed with me"

[–] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

"I am a liberal but liberals want to tax the upper middle class instead of the 0.1%"

[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

They want to virtue signal trivial social issues to avoid admitting they're just plain conservative.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago

"But in practice, I almost certainly vote Republican."

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

"I like pot and hookers and pretend I'm better at managing money than you."

[–] GuyFleegman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago

“Sure the problems are bad, but the causes? The causes are good.”

[–] TheDeadlySquid@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

Raging asshole.

[–] vvilld@lemmy.world 100 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"I don't hate you because you're a POC, a woman, or queer. I hate you because you're poor."

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[–] beefnugget@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago

"I don't actively hunt members of marginalized communities with one of my many obnoxiously customized firearms but I still have a weird kink for giving tax cuts to billionaires in exchange for a worsened quality of life because I have a 12 year old's understanding of how the world works."

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