The shitty part about neets (yeah I'm one but not a fucking fascist), is that they have no class conscious so they end up propping up the people that exploited them in the first place and lead to them being in the gutter. So you have young white men voting for the republicans that want to take away whatever meager benefits they have, because they're trad or whatever nonsense, and do the racism they love. I very easily could have ended up as a fascist posting on 4chan about how much I hate minorities, if my life went in another direction rather than me educating myself on why my life sucks and reaching the conclusion the rest of us on here have.

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (17 children)

As Marx wrote in the Manifesto about it, "The -dangerous class, [lumpenproletariat] the social scum, that passively rotting mass thrown off by the lowest layers of the old society, may, here and there, be swept into the movement by a proletarian revolution; its conditions of life, however, prepare it far more for the part of a bribed tool of reactionary intrigue."

NEETs being mostly very reactionary shouldn't be very surprising with this historical trend and the lack of actual socializing possible with others. Of course this is not always true and there are many exceptions to this but it just reminded me of Marx's comments on the matter.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

One thing to point out is that Huey Newton wanted to think of ways to radicalize the lumpenproletariat.

I’ve been lumpenized and I see it as one of porky’s most nuanced devices of social murder. Nothing causes a crash out quite like society explicitly telling you “Fuck off, we neither want nor need you. Go starve on the streets.”

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, the Black Panthers were one of the groups I was thinking of the times when it isn’t true. I believe they were one of the earlier movements in the US to see the lumpenproletariat as having revolutionary potential

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Which I believe was influenced by Fanon’s arguments on the matter in a more anti-colonial context

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

Which, critically, was a critique developed outside the norms of British or Euro middle class moralism.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I've always wondered, what are the exact mechanisms that turn the lumpen reactionary?

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago

The total alienation. The condition that gives an organized prole their potential to seize the means, that being the socialization of labor, is by definition something that the lumpenproles are alienated from. Imagine trying to do a socialist revolution based on the ideals of /r/antiwork: it's untenable! You simply must take advantage of the social forces of production and how they organically bring workers together under a common interest; scattered oppressed people by themselves are a hard surface to build a parallel power structure and a dictatorship of the proletariat off of.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

jokerfication and nihilism, as well as crime

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[–] eyyImwalkin@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm young black and I don't vote because why expose myself to more detrick-bioweapon when my vote doesn't even count

I became communist because I thought about economics and society for like 10 seconds one time when I was 20 years old. Either you want endless genocide or you don't. Either you want monoculture massproduced mayo farm societies, or you want to preserve diversity. It's very simple

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Textbook lumpens

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[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 52 points 2 months ago

I keep seeing the takes like this with no irony across twitter and it’s just like, I can’t imagine not caring that my employer will probably react to this with layoffs. I can’t imagine not caring that my parents will simultaneously not be able to retire and maybe lose their jobs when they are too old to find new ones. My friends may be facing the same fates?

It’s so crazy to not have anyone you care about and only want some other you made up in your head to suffer.

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 44 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I've always been so jealous of NEETs like imagine not having the burning anxiety of wondering where your next meal would come from if you stopped working for a few days

Edit: i understand i have an idealized version in my mind, I'm sure it's just a side effect of having to work to pay rent since i was 14

[–] Xenomorph@hexbear.net 52 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's not good. I'm not neet by choice, I've been dealing with a host of mental and physical problems that bar me from any real gainful employment. I'm at the whim of my family whom I'm at odds with over stuff like food and housing and if on a bad day they don't want to put up with me anymore they can cut me right off! Sure I have free time I can use to pursue hobbies and stuff but I'd rather have the piece of mind of having to not worry about food and shelter anymore. sadness

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 44 points 2 months ago

Self Crit time, my conception of a NEET was that of a person otherwise capable of working for their own subsistence but choosing not to. This is still a pretty reactionary idea though, as in essentially buying into the capitalist idea that you don't deserve what you have if you don't sell your labor to get it. Guess i should do more thinking on the matter.

I'm sorry you find yourself in that situation and i hope you can find a way through it.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

NGL, I wish there was an online support group for involuntary NEETs (inNEETS?) where it tries to actually be a productive, non-toxic place for people down on their luck.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

The whole concept of "NEET" was invented by neoliberals as an alternative to saying "unemployed". They needed a way to discuss the unemployment of "socially desirable" people; White men from middle income families who in prior times would have been training to be white collar professionals. "NEET" divides the reserver army of labor in to morally good and morally depraved categories - NEETs are contrasted with Reaganite nonsense like "Welfare queens".

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[–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

jealous of NEETs like imagine not having the burning anxiety of wondering where your next meal would come from if you stopped working for a few days

Yeah you just got the burning anxiety that your probably racist libertarian leaning parents will decide shoving you into the streets will help you "get over" your entire personality

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm leaving that comment up because I need the pushback but you're right. Bad take on my part

[–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

it's okay dawg hope I didn't make you feel bad about it

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Nah, nobody said they were hurt by what i said so i don't feel bad. I would rather learn and grow, y'know? Being wrong is actually ok and good sometimes

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Conservatism is a nihilistic death cult.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can't wait when we're on month 36 and all the right wing yappers are talking about how sticking glass shards into your eyeballs is extremely manly.

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 months ago

Hey, Jordan Peterson, you should hear about this fun new idea I heard about....

[–] Jenniferrr@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Never paid for anything? How?

[–] Starlet@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

they live with their parents and watch shitty anime streaming sites all day

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[–] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

you'll lose your job

Never had one

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

I know this is likely tongue-in-cheek, given the neckbeard pic related. But this is unironically what the ruling class think. Probably except for the ‘never had a chance’ would be “that means my property values would go up.”

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

probably because the mental age of 4chan is like 12.

Also probably some of them are not american

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