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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 54 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Does anybody have any idea what this post is about?

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 75 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think it's the frame interpolation feature that a lot of TVs have.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago

It’s a terrible effect, and people who don’t spend much time in their TV’s setup may not know or think to turn it off - or they delude themselves into thinking they like the effect.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 weeks ago

If you're watching a tv and the frame rate hitches all over the place every few seconds then one of these stupid fucking settings is on.

The shit wouldn't be so fucking awful if it could actually maintain a stable frame rate but it can't. None of them can.

[–] tehmics@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago

Motion smoothing, frame interpolation features in TVs. It's what makes movement look unnatural and on default TV settings. Old people can't tell/don't understand so it's customary to sneakily disable it for them when visiting

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. Motion smoothing. It's like kerning or the Wilhelm scream. Once you notice it, you'll hate it.

It makes the slow panning forests and splashy paint videos in Currys look nice, but it makes movies and TV shows look terrible.

[–] varyingExpertise@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Eh, I've been adding it on purpose to technical and astronomy documentations during transcoding for my library. 23.whatever fps NTSC pulldown is just choppy.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Nvidia calls it DLSS and pretends its new

[–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Wait DLSS is about upscaling right? The “features” mentioned in OP’s post are about motion interpolation that makes the video seem to be playing at higher fps than the standard 24fps used in movies and shows.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 weeks ago

Because names mean nothing Nvidia has also labeled their frame generation as "DLSS".

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It allows more resolution by cutting the fps. Fake frames are inserted into the gaps to get the fps back.

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's frame generation, not dlss. DLSS renders small and upscales.

[–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's both. Nvidia just started calling everything DLSS, no matter how accurately it matches the actual term.

Image upscaling? DLSS. Frame generation? DLSS. Ray reconstruction? DLSS. Image downscaling? Surprisingly, also DLSS.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 2 weeks ago

It is all called "bullshitted pixels" and I'm having none of it.

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[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

DLSS Frame Generation actually uses the game's analytic motion vectors though instead of trying to estimate them (well, really it does both) so it is a whole lot more accurate. It's also using a fairly large AI model for the estimation, in comparison to TVs probably just doing basic optical flow or something.

If it's actually good though depends on if you care about latency and if you can notice the visual artifacts in the game you're using it for.

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[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I ve read the post, i ve read the comments, i have still no idea what are we talking about

[–] edinbruh@feddit.it 38 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The post is about when you are a tech savvy person, and go to a relative's house for the holiday and see some piece of tech with default configuration. Often tech companies (especially TV companies) enable buzzword technology to trick non tech savvy people into believing there was an improvement where there actually wasn't. Often, inspection with a more educated eye reveals that the result actually looks bad and ruins the original media (unless it was already terrible).

In this case the gripe is with frame smoothing technologies, which look smeared and ruin details and timing of movies. But to someone who doesn't know better it looks like "whoa, it really is smoother, I'm gonna smooth all the smoothing with my new extra smooth smoother; the smoothness salesman sold me real smooth on this" (I'm calling out the dishonest seller, not the consumer with this).

So when the tech savvy person sees the swindled relative, they try to fix up the situation disabling the bullshit, but every brand gives it a different patented bullshit name.

It's worth noting that inevitably, as soon as you leave the house the relatives will:

  • Not notice a thin
  • Call you because the TV "doesn't do the thing it did before anymore" and you have to explain that you did it and why it's better until they ask you to put it back
  • Spend too much time trying to pot back the thing on their own, making even worse choices along the way

To actually help them you should have been involved in the choice of device, but if you ever got involved in a choice you would automatically become the designated tech purchase advisor forever and ever.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 8 points 2 weeks ago

Aah, the joys of leaving well enough alone.

[–] saimen@feddit.org 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

But...why don't you just let your relatives use their things as they want?

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 2 weeks ago

Or they don't know better

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

So leave everything in the default settings no matter how bad?

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 11 points 2 weeks ago

Go watch any old (think Cinderella, Bambi) Disney movie on Disney+. Notice how it's nice and sharp. It's been upscaled. Notice how the frame rate is fast, it's been interpolated.

Now, closely watch the edges of the lines. They are inconsistent, smeared and now you can't not see it... Sorry

Many modern TVs are now doing this by default and it's rarely a better experience.

[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

It's a setting in newer TVs that "smooths" frames for lower quality media to maximize the capabilities of modern TV hardware. It very rarely looks good. This post lists what the major manufacturers call the technology.

[–] bookmeat@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're the one whose tv will be fixed when family comes to visit over the holidays.

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[–] weariedfae@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You know how TV shows all look like soap operas nowadays? It's because of goddamn motion smoothing and it is on by default on most TVs.

People who can't tell are monsters. Blind monsters.

This post is for those of us willing to put in the work to turn it off and restore balance to the universe.

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[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)
[–] brillotti@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

It's the setting to disable on smart TVs for a better image. The option can do oone or more of the following: adds in-between frames, reduces noise, and upscales video. Sounds good, but the implementation is always terrible.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Is this what that uncanny "too smooth" look is on my parents TV? Whenever I'd go to visit them whatever they had on always looked like the camera motion or character movement was way too smooth to the point it was kind of unsettling.

[–] ultrafastsloth@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The “soap opera” effect. Filmmakers hate this

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Animators too. FFS, when you deliberately position a character to look fluid, life-like, and emphatic at a frame rate, you have to respect it, or you lose it! Adding frames willy-nilly ruins movies and animation. Don't like it? Wanna be a gamer? Well, maybe just sit tight and accept that you have to trust that the artist, idfk, knew how to do their fucking job.

Personal rant here. I hate automated interpolation. I would literally prefer it if you deep-fried my work by overcompressing it over and over to 'save space.'

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It brings you gorgeous frames like this:

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Aqua just looks like that.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

that's just Aqua

[–] brb@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Looks like the usual Aqua to me

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[–] serenissi@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

what is the actual usecase of this interpolation feature? it should require capable hardware, so it doesn't exist for nothing.

[–] BorgDrone@feddit.nl 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think the idea is to increase motion resolution.

On a sample-and-hold display, like an LCD or OLED, the image on the screen stays the same for the entire frame. When the image suddenly changes because the TV displays a new frame, our eyes need a bit of time to adjust. The result is that when there is a lot of motion on screen, the image starts to look blurry.

This was not an issue on older CRT displays because they used a beam that scanned the picture. Each ‘pixel’ (CRT’s didn’t have pixels but lines, but you get the idea) would only light up for a small amount of time. Since our eyes are relatively slow we didn’t notice the flickering that much, and because it wasn’t fully lit all the time the ‘pixels’ in our eyes didn’t get saturated and could quickly adjust to the new frame.

By adding interpolated frames the image changes more often and this allows our eyes to keep up with the action. Another solution to the problem is black frame insertion, where the TV shows a black image between each frame. Again we don’t perceive this as flickering as our eyes are too slow for this, but the disadvantage is that the picture brightness seems to halve.

How much blurriness you get in motion is a function of both how fast the movement on screen is and the frame rate. Fast movement and low frame rates cause more blurriness than slow movement and high frame rates.

The use-case for this feature is mainly for fast sporting events on broadcast TV, where there may be fast movements (e.g. a soccer ball) combined with the low frame rate of broadcast TV (30 or 25 fps depending on where you are).

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[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I went to a friend’s house recently where this was enabled. I couldn’t bite my tongue for more than a few minutes before I had to bring it up. They were instantly impressed with how much better it looked lol.

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[–] riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago

...and we all HATE it.

[–] Davel23@fedia.io 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

To further elaborate, on LG TVs it's in the "Clarity" menu.

[–] CaptainParabola@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you for not typing “TV’s”

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