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Oral arguments at the Supreme Court on Monday over the president’s power to remove the commissioners of independent agencies left little doubt that its Republican-appointed justices are about to fundamentally reorder our system of government. They appear ready to eliminate most pockets of expertise and nonpartisanship that we rely on as stewards of important economic, political, scientific, and regulatory power.

They will do this, if this morning’s arguments are any indication, without grappling with the predictable and disastrous fallout, with the endpoint of their own logic, or the historical record to the contrary. Instead, the six Republican appointees appear ready to race headlong into a Trumpian future in which no agency or decision is beyond the reach of the precedent’s political cronies.

“You’re asking us to destroy the structure of government,” Justice Sonia Sotomayor observed Monday, “and to take away from Congress its ability to protect its idea that the government is better structured with some agencies that are independent.”

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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's not that many semi independent agencies left that aren't under control of Trump or one of his cronies I think, the most notable being the fed. If Trump manages to take control of the fed, then trust in the dollar will take a major hit and it's going to send the markets into a bit of a panic. But that small panic will be nothing compared to the fallout of when Trump actually starts mismanaging the Fed.

[–] Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is 100% about the Fed though, that's why they brought the case. He wants to fire jpow and eplace him with a crypto bro.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Not just the fed I think. For example, this would also allow republicans to fully take over the fec (currently inoperative because of lack of quorum) and then use it as a weapon against their opponents, in order to win the 2026 elections. All these agencies were independent for a reason, there's bound to be many more opportunities for abuse of power.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (3 children)

When does it become treason to the constitution and civil war is required? Where is the line, because waiting for it to feel like it and acting them, isn't going to be effective. Where is the redline where the people decide, 'If they do this, it's (some form of) war.'?

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To be honest that line is probably when ICE/brownshirts/whoever start mass killing people during protests. Historically, that's what it has taken for the citizens to begin to actually fight back against authoritarian regimes. However, every individual can do whatever they want, whenever they want. Also the line is when issues with food/water/security are directly affecting enough "common" people.

MAGA is hoping to avoid that obviously, so they'll go right to that line (captained by Miller, Vought, Lutnick, Vance/Thiel) but not go past it.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

i'v halfway considered taking down the murdoch empire...don't think it'd take much. his daughters want to sell the empire out for scraps, only his prodigal son wants to continue the family business of spreading hate to the world.

only thing really stopping me is my mum. i'm no martyr, i don't think would feel bad enough afterwards to turn myself in or anything, but if i got caught I would feel bad for her potentially getting caught up in the inevitable media circus that'd follow

soon as she croaks though...

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

that's a crazy thing to say here... maybe seek some legal means to go after his son first, like lawsuits, etc.?

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago
[–] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

When they mess with too many of the elites. I don't think common everyday people are going to do much resisting. I mean some might, but not a large enough group to make much of a difference. So if the Trump admin really fucks up corporate America like in a way that can't be just paid off then we'd see some actual opposition.

I guess maybe the people could vote the GOP out in 2026, but the masses are so thoroughly divided the chances of that happening are slim. Or if Trump and his regime end up blundering so badly that lots of people actually start starving also super slim chance.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Fucking with social security is a big one

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Not so sure about that. You underestimate people's ability to be misinformed.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

Americans have always been free to remove the president from office. Or his head from his shoulders.

[–] GFGJewbacca@midwest.social 9 points 3 months ago

I wish this article also pointed out that all the agency heads that Trump has fired have been women.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Please, can I suck you dick harder daddy Donald?

-SCOTUS

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

All the legal power in the world won't turn the mush that is his brain back into something serviceable.

Entropy will take you soon, and neither power nor money can do fuck all to stop it.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

The orange skidmark does not need any more power, FFS.

[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.today -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The majority of voters are getting what they want: King Trump.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Inb4 "It's not a majority, it's a plurality. Most of us don't want this"

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 3 months ago

Plus the whole rigging the election thing.