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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 135 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It's always morally correct to beat the shit out of Nazis. And if they don't like that, they can always stop being Nazis.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

I so want to go back to a wave of media about brutal violence towards Nazis.

Sure, put in a moral dilemma. A little “Is it really okay for us to be doing this?” Just certify that the answer is YES.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

they can always stop being Nazis

I think that's something a lot of right wing people struggle to comprehend.

Left wing violence is targeted toward those who would do us harm, i.e. Nazis. It's self defence.

Right wing violence is targeted toward those who they believe is causing harm. In their minds it's the same justification, self defence.

The difference is you can choose to be intolerant or not, you can choose to treat others with kindness or not, you can choose to be a Nazi or not. You can't choose whether you're gay, black, trans, disabled, Jewish, whatever form of "other" they have chosen.

Obviously there's also the fact that being "other" isn't harmful in any way. But that's a separate rabbithole of delusion that needs tackled.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

they think we are driven by the same fears as them and that these fears are universal to the human experience rather than them not confronting and processing their traumas

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't even believe it's traumas. Most hatred is born from lack of experience and therefore empathy. The trauma they claim is usually fantasy, to feed into the mentality that they are right to be afraid. Like the whole oppressed Christian rhetoric I was fed at an early age, it doesn't exist in the US. Pray to the guy on the cross, I won't stop you. Just don't him as an excuse for causing harm to others. You can practice your religion, but it shouldn't stop others from living their lives without fear or harm.

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[–] Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why did this get downvotes

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The nazis don't realize they aren't anonymous on Lemmy

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"they can always stop being Nazis."


Assholes:

"Well you can also stop being the thing that you're being oppressed for!"

Me:

"Stop being disabled? Yeah, no, I wish I could, but the only way I could stop being disabled is by not being alive"

Assholes:

"..."

Me:

"Oh, that's what you meant, isn't it? Cool, so you're not just a Nazi apologist, you're literally a Nazi. Good to know"

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[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 100 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The cure for fascism is... politically-motivated threats of brutal physical violence? That's literally fascism.

Hate this. This is not fascism. It’s arguably not even one of the tenets of fascism. That user has no clue what they’re talking about.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

The reply under it was pretty good though.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Appeal to force is fascist. Necessary force to prevent abuse of force isn't.

In a free society, we argue with words, not violence. We resort to force only when necessary to prevent imminent violence.

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[–] Killer57@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh, I don't know, I think the ones that have been lit on fire are alright.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I love when people say violence against fascism is fascism... how dumb are you?

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 week ago

Also, that's not literally fascism.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Only the intolerant are tolerant of intolerance.

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[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Serious question though, there are now literal Nazis, dressed up and all, parading the streets of US cities. What would one risk just shooting them?

"Nazis were back your honour, what else could I do?"

I'm not advocating for this, but as a pessimist I think we are never getting these people back to reason, and they grow in numbers, and they are armed. If parading as Nazis is not seen as having crossed the red line, where does this all go? If there is only self-defense if they attack as a legitimate reason to shoot them, are we doomed to see them grow in numbers till self-defense becomes fucking impossible? Hence my question, if the first bunch of neonazis were just shot, there might have been less of them now, but what would have happened to those that shot them? Prison? Hero? Is there a jurisprudence? I haven't heard the news of a 'reverse' Kyle Rittenhouse

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

A murder is a murder, legally speaking.

Tbh, the big issue with why nazis exist in these large quantities is that the financial situation of people is going down. That's the one big thing there. And left-wing parties mostly all over the world did nothing against that.

The rich, the billionaires and all that lot are siphoning wealth off the rest of the world and nobody does anything against that. Instead, left-wing parties got entangled in social justice topics (which are important) but completely forgot left economics (which are critical). Left-wing discussion moved from important but rather boring topics (e.g. how to distribute wealth better) to extremely polarizing but not that critical-to-daily-life topics (e.g. "This politician used a word wrong!").

That was basically the whole 2000s and the first half of the 2010s.

In the 1990s, nazis were hardly a thing because people had jobs, housing and food. That's changed now. And since the left-wing parties aren't about to change anything, people are flocking to right-wing parties and -ideologies because they are literally to dumb to understand that the change that right-wing is going to effect is change against the people.

But if we actually wanted to stop nazis, we would have to abolish billionaires (and pretty much anyone who has more than >50 million) and redistribute wealth. We need a new new deal. Because what killed the nazis wasn't WW2, but new deal economics.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Left-wing" parties intentionally started focusing on ultimately meaningless topics so they didn't have to admit that they were in the same pockets as the other side.

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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

we defeated fascism in WW2

:3

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[–] dwalin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I would say nazism as an ideology was not defeated (yeah i know it still exists, thats not the point) by fighting. It was a long process of re-education after the war. The nazis did not woke up the next day and said: "we lost, i guess the jews are ok now"

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago

So long as we live under the hierarchical authority of nation-states that creates the authoritative dynamic for fascism to take root, further enabled by the capitalist hegemony and the private ownership of necessity resources that keeps people reliant on these hierarchical powers, we will never truly defeat fascism. They will just run back to their hovels and bide time as the system helps them to consolidate wealth and power until they can again make their play for power.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I would say there are more Nazis now then there were in WW2, they just don't wear those uniforms, which were the best thing about the Nazis. So weird.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Remember, if you sit at the table with Nazis, you're a Nazi!

So yeah, BoTh PaRtIeS strikes again, sorry

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What if I'm sitting with them in order to better slip some poison in their drink when not looking?

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago

I think that's fine, because if you do it right, you will be sitting at a table with corpses instead of Nazis. You might run into trouble with unrelated aspects of the social contract (re: dining with corpses), but at the least the Nazi problem would be solved

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Reality check.

We aren't voting our way out of this. That shipped sailed in 2024.

When the orange rapist dies, all the fascists still exist. They'll still need to be dealt with.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is so stupid, that's not the cure for fascism, beating them with bats?! Honestly.

That's a short term treatment at best. At least drive some nails in that thing.

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[–] plyth@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago

Yeah, remember how we defeated fascism in WW2 through polite conversation

Remember how Germans tried to defeat fascism before WW2!

There were a million people in a paramilitarized group, of which many were trained soldiers from WW1.

That simple club is not the scientific answer.

Since there doesn't seem to be a plan I would even guess that science isn't even funded to cure fascism. Of course, cause who should have provided the funding?

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