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The Seussifixion (slrpnk.net)
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[–] bklyn@piefed.social 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, there are no references to Christianity or to Jesus in the film or the book. And Christians only even started celebrating Christmas around the fourth century A.D.. Before that, the holiday was a winter harvest festival in many pagan cultures, not to mention the Roman holiday of Saturnalia. But, still, it wasn’t much of a celebrated holiday associated with Christianity until the 18th or 19th centuries.

That’s for Santa? Well that legend has been going on for about as long as Christmas has been, but didn’t really get associated with it much until the early 19th century.

So, there was no who Jesus. But, it’s worth noting, they probably had a Christmas Krampus.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan -2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You can't celebrate Christmas without Christianity. It's in the name.

If the holiday they celebrate is canonically called Christmas, then Christianity has to exist in the universe. It doesn't matter if Christmas is an amalgamation of pagan holidays.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 3 days ago

This is an etymological fallacy. There is no reason to believe that the Whos' etymological history and usage of the word must mirror our own.

[–] bklyn@piefed.social 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

You can’t celebrate Christmas without Christianity. It’s in the name.

I'm an atheist, and I celebrate Christmas. no Jesus involved. same for most everyone I've ever met.

If the holiday they celebrate is canonically called Christmas, then Christianity has to exist in the universe.

that's like saying "I invented the light bulb! therefore, if it exists anywhere else in the universe, they stole it from me!"

lots of people invent or discover things simultaneously all over the world, and it's not until later that we find out. Here's a whole wiki article about it.

And maybe the story is translated from another language, and the term 'Christmas" was substituted so modern western children would understand the context.

examples:

  • Frozen: Reimagines Hans Christian Andersen's "The Snow Queen," focusing on sisterly love rather than a quest for a lost love, fitting modern narratives.
  • Maleficent: Retells "Sleeping Beauty" from the villain's perspective, adding complexity and exploring her backstory.
  • Hard Candy: A dark modern take on "Little Red Riding Hood," with a young girl confronting a predator.
  • American Gods: Neil Gaiman brings ancient gods into modern America, reflecting cultural shifts and beliefs.

so, the term 'Christmas' being used could mean many things-- most of all that you shouldn't just jump to safe conclusions.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Their point is given the name Christmas there needs to be a Christ but the Who's Christ doesn't necessarily have to have the same Christ.

[–] bklyn@piefed.social -4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

just explained - with many examples - of how that's not necessarily true.

also, it's a fictional story about fictional beings in a fictional land. Nothing has to be true here.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You are getting too hung up on the "event" of Christmas. You are ignoring the "name" Those examples don't call it the same name.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's the Whoville version of Life Day, but Suess translated it to the closest equivalency.

[–] bklyn@piefed.social 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

just glad he didn't translate Wookie grandpa watching VR porn in the living room!

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago

You know, grandpa straight jorkin' it to the Meta Quest is a thing that could realistically happen now.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Luckily the Grinch stole his player before he could.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm an atheist, and I celebrate Christmas. no Jesus involved. same for most everyone I've ever met.

I'm talking about the name of the holiday having religious origins. Can't call the holiday Christmas without there being a Christianity.

that's like saying "I invented the light bulb! therefore, if it exists anywhere else in the universe, they stole it from me!"

That's a false equivalency. We're talking about word origins not inventions.

And maybe the story is translated from another language, and the term 'Christmas" was substituted so modern western children would understand the context.

Bro, this is Dr Seuss. What are you on about?

[–] bklyn@piefed.social 0 points 3 days ago

Bro, this is Dr Seuss. What are you on about?

a fictional, Seussian world where anything is possible. such as one where Christmas exists but "christ" does not.

for christ's sake, let it go, lol

[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

“Suessifixion? Out the door, line on the left, one cross each.”

[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Either that or the Portuguese discovered/conquered/colonized them in the 16th century and the population was catholicized by Jesuit missionaries. While they clearly redefined their own culture to be something unique after indepence, their former faiths have been forgotten, even by them.

Whothulhu will rise just the same.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You know that one sick-ass S we all drew as kids? That.

[–] gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Alternatively, humans at some point in the past made contact with Whoville, and proceeded to capture, enslave them, and force Christianity on them.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago

You're thinking of Horton Hears a Who.

[–] jack_of_sandwich 4 points 3 days ago

https://youtu.be/SGyfwhK09Ck

[–] School_Lunch@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

If Dickens is Dickensian, then Seuss should be Seussian.

[–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

seuss is pronounced like voice btw

still sounds cool tho

[–] Darohan@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

The Grinch's trash pile t'was full
Of Who counches and Who tweezers
And if you dug in far enough
You'd find the corpse of Who Jesus

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

My head canon is that Whoville is in a post-apocalypse type setting that has had multiple "end of the world" events, such as the people living in Caves of Qud. Couple of grey goo incidents could have made a world like that.

[–] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Kids in the Hall, anyone? It's all clearly explained.

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Whatever it looked like, it was invented by Sylvester McMonkey McBean.

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fuck this Christmas PREDATES Christianity I'm sick of this slander. Whoville celebrating Christmas means that they have seasons and one of them is winter

[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Whoville celebrating a holiday of cheer in winter, where they decorate everything in colourful lights and give presents means they have a winter season.

Celebrating "Christmas" as they call it, or "Christ's mass" unabbreviated, probably means both "Christ" and "mass" means something to them. Of course one would reasonably assume Christianity exists then.

They could be celebrating the massiveness of someone who coincidentally has the same name, sure, but if no Christ exists in this universe, the person who translated it from Who-ish to English and called the festival "Christmas" instead of "Whonukkah" messed up badly.