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Blatantly funded by the US. Where are all the "foreign interference!!!" Conservatives now? How is this legal??
lol promised money from a felon grifters government? Someone would need to be pretty dense if they thought theyβd see a dime of that without getting totally railed.
Fuck you Scott, take your adled mind and get the fuck out of Alberta.
Trump cancels any talks with Canada over tariffs because of fords anti-tariff commercial, because weβre meddling in their politics, but these Nazi fucking yanks can do this?
Time for Canada to cut off all talk with the filthy yanks, cut off the power we provide them and let them stew in the cold for a while.
Fuck I hate America.
Why the hell would anyone want to be part of the dumpster fire in America.
Because they're so racist that they think that being white will make a difference. It won't.
OK cool it's good to hear we have the money to give another country a "loan" to basically buy them.
Bribe leaders. Alberta will want to keep universal healthcare as part of the deal. Rest of you will pay for that too
How much in oil do they pull out a year in total and then after costs do we know?
If I recall it has a high break even point, I think 60 a barrel even, they've to like steam oil sands and then remove the water, and it's a type of crude they've to add extra viscous chemicals to so it doesn't clump up, or something.
So it's okay if Canada and the EU would support and fund the independence of California?
Russia already does. All such movements they will fund. Catalonia, california, texas, I forget the rest.
I would say no, and I would expect any sensible country to bar this within its borders. To the extent that a state should have a nonviolent means of secession, this above all should not be subject to foreign interference.
You can find a more detailed view of my opinion on specific independence movements elsewhere in this thread.
Regarding California or indeed any other state breaking away from the US, it's none of our business. And, before you ask, in the highly unlikely event that they wished to join Canada, I would expect them to gain independence and then, separately, start any process of joining another country.
It'd be nice if the feds could chime in to take a verbal dump on the UCP aiding and abetting MAGA traitors.
Where are all the βforeign interference!!!β Conservatives now?
Tucker Carlson and his lot are all in on this.
This is an important distinction: foreign means βforeign.β Venezuela and Canada are considered to be the USβs back yard, hence fair game. This is what anti interventionist MAGA has been pushing and pushing for.
This is like, cut and dry, 100% treason. What the fuck?
It's just capitalism, baby! Just a business arrangement between two close personal friends in the oil industry. No need to get democracy involved.
The Canadian prosecution and courts absolutely need to squash this. Sub-state actors goin on random adventures like this causes war down the line - in fact we had a 30 Years' war about that.
jack posebiec is the owner of the account, endwokeness on social media, he has a honeypot russian wife.
he has a honeypot russian wife
Bit tangential, but what's the Canadian opinion on other independence movements like Scotland, Catanuya...
I have the feeling a lot of people support independence from other countries, but reject the one at home.
I'm not Canadian so I don't know the context of Alberta, feel free to ELI5.
A minority in alberta want to separate because they are racists and trans/homophobes. They think we will disappear if they separate. I for one will die keeping Alberta Canadian.
You dont even need to look at movements abroad to dispute this comparison. Quebec is right there and they had and have an actual, not-astroturfed independence movement with actual justifications for their beliefs, with an argument grounded in the right to self-determination and their national history.
Alberta has nothing going on that makes independence a serious consideration.
I don't know about Quebec either, only in passing. At least in knew it existed for a while, Alberta I didn't until this post, so I guess what you say tracks
Yes, but this is different
What you name in your post are independent movements that have been going on since pretty much forever, and it's a freedom that that population wants.
Alberta is just a bunch of rich pricks very likely directed and funded by the US. Yes, this part is slightly conspiratorial, but it is very obvious that that government has very unsanitary connections with the US Republicans.
Had it been for example Quebec, it might have been a different story, this just very much feels like the US Republicans working hard to destabilize Canada
Fuck Danielle Smith with an umbrella, she is a traitor who sold out the provence to the US, pretty much
Exactly, it is very telling the trumpists are salivating over Alberta but haven't touched Quebec, which is the one province that has a movement with an actually legitimate independence movement.
I can't speak for all Canadians, I truly have no idea.
From my own personal opinion, I'm aware that every independence movement is a unique case, and I won't pretend I understand any of them outside of my own country, nor would I blindly support any of them just because they were ostensibly independence movements.
I will say this, again from my perspective, it seems to me that Alberta isn't and never was an independent country like Scotland may have been, and the history of Alberta - including the indigenous peoples who currently live there and have agreements with the federal government (notably NOT the province) - as well as recent Canadian law on the topics (eg Clarity Act), puts Alberta in a rather more clear position on the topic of independence. That is to say, even if they could reconcile all treaty matters and carve out any land for themselves, and even if they could reimburse the federal government for all the pension plan balances and the proportion of debt, and even if they had a sustainable economic foundation, they probably would never get through the legal and constitutional blockers.
I know all of this about Alberta, and none of this about Scotland. So, no opinion of value, and no comment.
But if it looked like Brexit, I would instinctively advise against it.
Always was. Make no mistake that Alberta is Canada's Sudetenland/Crimea. Is it not obvious to say the US military appears more similar to Nazi Germany rather than Russia a couple years ago. Canada is stronger with Alberta and when it's annexed there must be a fight or it'll just be easier to get at the rest of greater Canada. Ideally to send a message, traitors/secessionists are imprisoned ASAP.
Dare we say ICE'd?
They must really hate labor laws and healthcare up there in Alberta to consider this
They hate a lot of things in Alberta.
Healthcare, education, trans people, Brown people, green energy...
So he's just after oil huh
You all wannabe Americans? Go ahead and move to the US. Apply for citizenship. No one is stopping you. You're doing the rest of us a favor.
But, you don't get to take the land with you.
We could start by enforcing our laws. Foreign interference is everywhere, and we've just ignored it for decades. Eg, the US funds the Frasier Institute and no one makes any comment about this. Half of our media is owned by them. The convoy was subsidized by US funding. I don't believe for a moment that the UCP and/or its members aren't awash in US corporate bribes and cash promises.
Our country is under threat and no one seems to do a damn thing about it. Why doesn't any politician discuss this? Poilievre talks about Chinese interference, where is the concern for this interference by the US, very clearly our enemy??!
I remember when Canada used to prosecute and jail fascists. Now it coddles them.
We should have some citizenship exchange program so they can swap with those being persecuted in US for not being male white rich.
No one is stopping you
To be fair, even if in the US legally, ICE is stopping you. And then shipping you off to some other foreign country's jail.
This is an ongoing operation by the CIA to Balkanize Canada. Canadians need to wake the fuck up.
Not going to happen. Plus, I've read that most of those that do want to separate don't want join the US.
Even IF the people of Alberta vote in favour of leaving Canada it still has to be approved by Parliament, and that is not happening at this time with the current seat counts for each party.
I have lived in Calgary, Alberta for over 20 years. I don't know a single person who would want to leave Canada. I also know that Alberta would not stand a chance alone. We DEPEND on the federal government for funding and other Provinces for goods. We're land locked and have next to no manufacturing.
Plus, Iβve read that most of those that do want to separate donβt want join the US.
That's the fun part, once the US separates you from Canada, you don't get a choice about whether you want to join the US anymore, because your collapsing economy leaves you no choice. Divide and conquer, literally.
There's no unilateral separation from Canada without reconciling all of the constitutionality protected indigenous land claims, and they've all indicated they have no interest. Also the Constitution would need to be renegotiated, and this would require all provinces. This will stretch any practical timeline for secession out indefinitely.
The US interests have no bearing on this, unless they plan on invading.
Yup, they just did a full on genocide on their indigenous groups. I guess I wouldn't rule out them to do it again.
Votes aren't looking like they're going to mean anything in the US anymore. Don't be too confident they're going to respect any vote in Alberta.
This is treason and should be prosecuted. There is no justice until they are behind bars.
Your foreign interference comment made me think about this petition calling for a legislation requiring majority Canadian ownership and control of news media. With everything happening in the US, I think it is important that as many people as possible sign it: https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-6821
Kick these traitors out of Canada or prison. Carney needs to do something about this
#treason