i found it pretty interesting that the slur 'redneck' originally referred to striking labourers who participated in the battle of blair mountain. I'm incredibly cynical mind you, but it revealed to me why the term is culturally contested even to this day.
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On the one hand, every country has a fucked up history that they ain't teaching in classes. I learned most of my countries real history through reading books about this times
On the other hand: the US has a particular brutal and fucked up history that they ain't teaching
often wonder how streets, towns, counties were named/renamed. was there a contest along the way
Now look up the Tulsa Massacre
Once i learned about what they did I can't forget it and will always bring up to people when relevant. Fucking insane what they burned it to the ground because they couldn't stand successful black people. And not one person ever faced justice for this.
I have family in Tulsa that had never heard of that until I brought it up when I learned about it a few years ago. Crazy shit man.
I didn't learn about the Tulsa Massacre until the first Trump term. I'm over 50 years old.
I watched the Watchmen TV series a couple years back (at age 40) and during the Tulsa massacre scene I was like "oh this takes place in an alternate history where the KKK won"
Then next year in college I took a course in American History... oof.
People are erased all the time, our job is to make sure they were at least documented and were. The current administration is trying to erase recent and distant history. Hoard the data. Keep the dates. Write it down on paper, but still, we are watching the library burn in front of us.
This isn't just this administration, not even close. My family is from Tulsa, had never even heard of the atrocities that have been done to the black communities there.
It's very similar to how a lot of Americans didn't know about the Tulsa Race Massacre until it was in The Watchmen.
I learned about it because of the show.
But I'm also not from the US. Still felt weird that it wasn't talked about more
Where I live they ran an interstate highway right through where the black business district was. Ripped through the middle of town. I hate that highway so much, they keep adding lanes too. Fucking racist twats and the effects reverberate to this day, no transit just more lanes because of handshake agreements between good ol' boys in the 1960s.
"Nothing changes, even when it wants to" Hayes Carll
they ran an interstate highway right through where the black business district was
Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
People will see your comment and think "hey that sounds like my city", but you could say this about basically every major city in the US.
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Writing races/skin colour with a capitalized letter seems strange when it doesn't include a continent name
Black, with a capital, is a culture. It’s fairly old news at this point, but the point is that it’s because of the shared experience and lack of ancestral knowledge of those people becaus of things like the slave trade and ongoing, systemic racism. They don’t get to say “African” because they were completely cut off from that culture, which is already such a wrong thing to say because “Africa” is not a single place nor a single culture, nor even only a dozen places with a few dozen cultures(it’s a helluva lot more). Besides, after developing their own strong cultures, Haitian or Jamaican immigrants are far more from there than from anywhere in Africa.
“White” is not a culture. White people will very often tell you where their family is from, to the city, without even being asked and if you don’t know you can even just look at the last name they were able to keep when their ancestors arrived in North America. White people have the privilege to not be lumped together in our society and being referred to by their country in Europe far more often than by simply “European” while Black people will just get a useless “African” tacked in front of their country of residence’s name.
White people have the privilege to not be lumped together in our society
Calling them "white people" does lump them together. There's a fascinating history about how different ethnic groups got absorbed and assimilated into whiteness. You aren't supposed to look into your family's roots in Europe. That's woke nonsense! Just shut up, drink your beer, grill your steaks, watch football. You're white now.
BTW, I have heard people referred to as European-American. If your ancestors came from, say, Ireland, England, Spain, and Italy, you could call yourself an Irish-English-Spanish-Italian-American, but European-American is much easier to say.
I would assume most of the time "black" is used in this context same as "white", as in to refer to a skin colour, not to a culture.
And can't people just refer in general to culture of white people collectively and unspecifically, that would also be written as capitalized "White" but would also be strange imo
Then that assumption is outdated, which is fine as long as, now knowing that, it is appropriately adjusted.
You can sorta refer to white people in that way but it doesn’t really have the same effect because of things like power dynamics and the fact that we are able to know where we’re from quite easily. For Black people it’s a cultural identity they needed to build nearly from the ground up, for white people it really is just a way to talk about a group of people based on their skin colour and generalized stereotypes. No one is White because they have connections to their more specific history, but many people are Black precisely because they don’t.
I get making a separation between reference to skin colour or "race" and culture, but I just feel like it should be consistent. Out of curiosity I checked how Wikipedia handled it and it doesn't seem like there's one rule
Ethno-racial "color labels" may be given capitalized (Black and White) or lowercase (black and white); mixed use (Black, but white) is also acceptable if editors at a particular article find it appropriate.
A June–December 2020 proposal to capitalize "Black" (only) concluded against that idea, and also considered "Black and White", and "black and white", with no consensus to implement a rule requiring either or against mixed use where editors at a particular article believe it's appropriate. The status quo practice had been that either style was permissible, and this proposal did not overturn that.
I wonder if it would be acceptable to do "White but black", I feel like that would seem outright sketchy in a way the opposite doesn't
White but black would just be choosing to capitalize White for all the reasons it’s less deserving of it yet admitting those things can be valid so yea, 100% sketchy.
I’m not against “Black and White” and “black” is still a valid thing(some guy from Zimbabwe moving elsewhere can be African-American or African-Canadian, for example) but I’m also pretty ok with “Black and white” as well, especially in places where even white immigrants are treated so differently to citizens of colour. Look at how Musk is, on paper, a prime example of an immigrant who really ought to be deported from the US but is, despite being 100% African, treated with all the privilege his skin colour affords him there.
I think their focus is America. America's racial problems are quite unique to America, because slaves were just part of normal life in the US up until slavery was abolished. It was part of the fabric of society in ways that it just wasn't elsewhere. Even in the UK, where many black people can trace their family trees to slaves in the West Indies, there were never slaves actually held on the island of Great Britain.
Things like segregated school systems are still very much in living memory in the US. So there are unique issues in America that Americans must heal from before they can really consider such problems in the past.
Someone did explain it to me further. But I still... Well I'm not American. I just feel like, better would be to be consistent
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Or Tulsa, where the whites were like “go make your own black town!” So they did, and prospered while the whites stayed poor. So the whites just straight up raped, pillaged and burned the black town and got away with it
Worse part of The Tulsa Race Massacre is it took fucking tv show for it to become widely known. My wife and ex wife grew up here never heard of it. Not fucking once had it been taught in schools. Now the local media talks about it constantly. But only because it had been exposed by the HBO show Watchman. Fucking racist fucks all around.
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Not just the local whites, the government bombed and shot them.
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