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[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Whatever happened to “make work”? I remember when Obama created the “green energy” initiatives, along with a number of other proposals for infrastructure projects that would have a return on investment and the motherfucking republicans called it “make work”, likened it to digging ditches.

What is ICE other than a make-work jobs program for racist losers and dumasses who can’t get a job or hold one down anywhere else?

These assholes should be repairing the roads and bridges we see collapsing all over the country. They should be building federal funded hospitals in rural communities instead of shutting them down with Medicaid cuts. They should be building housing. Rename DHS the “Department of Housing Security”.

Our priorities are profane.

[–] rayyy@piefed.social 14 points 17 hours ago

Unlikely because most of them want in on the pedo action. At the very least they are full on pedo protectors.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

He’s pleading with the wrong people. These are all heart-of-hearts racists. Proud Boys and Oath Keepers to a one. They deserve lifetime prison sentences, not forgiveness.

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world -5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The proud boys are a lot of things, racist is not really one of them. The founder even moved away when they became to accepting in 2017.

Know your Enemy.

Although the Proud Boys emerged as part of the alt-right, McInnes distanced himself from the movement in early 2017, saying the Proud Boys were alt-lite while the alt-right's focus was on race.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Even the Wikipedia article you referenced contradicts your assertion that the group itself isn’t racist.

While Proud Boys leadership has denied being a white supremacist organization, the group and some of its members have been connected to white supremacist events, ideologies, and other white-power groups throughout its existence.

According to the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism the group believes that traditional masculinity and Western culture are under siege, using "Western chauvinism" as euphemism for the white genocide conspiracy theory.[4] Members have participated in overtly racist events and events centered around fascist, anti-left, and anti-socialist violence.[4]

Seems like you should do more work on knowing your enemy.

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

I also go by what i heard on Jubilee surround videos, where members describe their membership.

Kinda just sounds like dull mens club, but with violent militia groups as chapters.

[–] RaoulDuke85@piefed.social 55 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We don't want them. They belong in prison.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 38 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Those who turn soon should be accepted. Not Scot free, but accepted. There's the possibility they were roped in by propaganda, and got too deep.

If they don't turn now, they definitely knew what they were doing, and should face the appropriate consequences.

It's also worth remembering, always give your enemy a way out. It's a lot easier to run down the die-hards than deal with a group of cornered animals.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It's refreshing to see possible forgiveness as a first step before applying a firmer hand.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Surrender should always be rewarded, turning sides moreso. Full forgiveness isn't always warranted, but you only hurt yourself by offering no quarter

[–] mriormro@lemmy.zip 9 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

We gave them a way out already. They've already drawn a line in the sand.

Fuck every last one of them and fuck this limp-wristed response to the extreme state violence we have witnessed.

[–] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

Defection is genuinely one of the greatest tools resistance movements have, especially over a period of time. And before you assume anything about me, I fucking hate fascists and I am not chomping at the bit to welcome in these thugs, but just historically speaking, defection is a huge asset for resistance.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There's the acute situation and the chronic one. The acute one needs action now. You also need to keep an eye on the long term goals.

It's a common thing that's been discovered with extremist groups. A good number of their members get in before it becomes extreme. By the time they realise, too much of their identity is tied up with the group. They get drawn deeper and deeper. This makes getting out both emotionally and practically costly.

Giving a release valve to remove these people from the group is emotionally unpleasant, but extremely useful for collapsing the group.

Also, those same people are often in the best position to help with deprogramming other members.

I'm not saying to let them walk Scot free, but you need to leave some way out. Unless you are willing to stand and systematically gun down them to a man (bare in mind, they will be firing back).

[–] mriormro@lemmy.zip 3 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Theoretically, how does one deprogram Nazi's funded by the state?

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago

With the original ones? Shoot em. With these ones? Depends which variant but helping them skeeve out of paying back their "bonus" would probably do something.

For context that "bonus" they were given apon signing up for ICE was really a white elephant. If they leave before a certain timescale they have to pay it back, which would explain the utterly shit moral they have since plenty of them prolly wanted a quick paycheck and a bit of power and are now in way too deep.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

I think the Germans might have some ideas to draw from. Or at least what doesn't work as well as you might think.

[–] oggabalooga@piefed.ca 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Prison is the bare minimum. There's a reason Mussolini got the treatment he got.

[–] RaoulDuke85@piefed.social 13 points 1 day ago

People forget most of them are J6 fuckheads. There's no helping them.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago

Hey someone actually doing politics correctly.

[–] oggabalooga@piefed.ca 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Say it during the halftime show!

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 10 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

They're doing the opening show I think?

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

the superb owl is the great american holiday of spectacle where we all watch because we have some fantasy of what it could be and then we all leave dissappointed

[–] ScrambledEggs@lazysoci.al 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

And domestic violence skyrockets.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 hours ago

no one hates the modern superbowl as the great american holiday, the annual festival of nothing, than the partriarchs. just listen to the head of their cult talk about how much better it used to be when it was deadlier. their bloodsport has been taken from them. and within the frameswork of the patriarchy the only way to reclaim masculinity is through violence

Thats not till tomorrow. He isnt even waiting isnt that amazing?

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The ICEatzgruppen like being on the side of the line that they’re on. They’re pretty much exclusively bullies. They enjoy acting with impunity. They view the world as zero sum, and are convinced there are terrorists and criminals hiding around literally every corner, and that they’re somehow virtuous bloodhounds saving “good Americans” from the “depraved immigrants”. The dudes who executed Alex Pretti were long timers, not fresh hires. Theres no excuse, and there’s no saving them.

[–] voidsignal@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

It's a bunch of racist inbread incel rednecks who played too much CoD.

There are in fact recordings that you can find where they’re remarking to each other how it feels like CoD

[–] oggabalooga@piefed.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most of them, yes. But I feel like the weight of their extended family and larger community calling them Nazi Brownshirts does actually weigh on their mental health. The goal here is to demoralize them as much as possible, and literally just shame them out of being fucking awful. Nazi thuggery doesn't really work as well if the entirety of national culture thinks you're a pathetic shitstain and you face active resistance every waking moment of the day.

Yes and no. The Nationalist Christians have a big persecution fetish.

[–] osanna@thebrainbin.org 3 points 1 day ago

Yup. I've love to see a venn diagram of one circle being Jan 6 rioters, and the other circle being ICEstapo cunts. I bet it's just a circle, or close to.

[–] alternategait@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If only his history of not paying workers was well known …

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 2 points 16 hours ago

They'd do it for free.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If history is any indication ICE will sadly have to first become bigger, more influental and have a leadership developing their own ambitions before the "dropping them like a bad habit" happens... alongside awarding lots of Ernst-Röhm-Memorial-Awards.

[–] lemmylump@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yes there will come a time when they will weed out the undesirables, just like Röhm who was one of Hitler's closest friends and openly gay.

[–] osanna@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 day ago

I misread this and thought green day was on the side of the ICEstapo. I was thinking "that's....... unlike green day"