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A WSJ investigation tracked the U.S. citizens caught in the crosshairs of an aggressive government campaign to detain and demonize dissenters

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We always where. If you live here you're an american. Sorry if that's insulting to some of you who've moved here lol.

[–] OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

First they came for the Communists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me

And there was no one left

To speak out for me

-- Martin Niemöller

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

Actually first they came for the LGBTQ+ people,

but Martin did not speak out

Because as a conservative catholic priest,

he agreed with it.

-History, actually. We CANNOT afford to leave Anyone behind like this.

EDIT: okay, he was Lutheran. And Both the LGBTQ+ and Communist hate were slow-simmering among the German Nazis, breaking out in state-sanctioned violence almost concurrently.

Its fascinating to see just how much the history parallels what we have today.

That this poem is easily available makes it a great tool. But that it so easily glosses over others that the Nazis targeted as being "un-German" is not something we can accept.

[–] habitualcynic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Martin Niemoller, famously a prominent Lutheran pastor, was actually not a Catholic priest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

I agree with your sentiment, but his piece is timeless and too important to history to misrepresent.

EDIT: it’s also my understanding (not a historian though) that communists were the first targets. Political opponents when the nazis first achieved power because they were not strong. The moved on to ideological targets after they had established power.

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Your wikipedia link shows this priest excited for Hitler's rise, even voting for Hitler in 1933, after the burning of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissenschaft Instititute for Sexual Science.

While this poem is a useful tool, we cannot accept it being used by even the author to obscure the deaths of those he agreed with the Nazis about.

The Nazis had a slow simmer of hate for both Communists and the LGBTQ+ community. Each received state sanctioned violence at the hands of Nazis simultaneously, both being labelled as "un-German"

If you'll pardon the inflammatory language, I'm going to continue communicating the same thought. That priest was a product of his time and place, and fully teaching his poem demands passing on critique of that basis.

[–] habitualcynic@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

While this poem is a useful tool, we cannot accept it being used by even the author to obscure the deaths of those he agreed with the Nazis about.

That priest was a product of his time and place, and fully teaching his poem demands passing on critique of that basis.

Wholly agree with you here in the goal, sentiment, and calling out he’s a product of his time. Once again, here’s a conservative that only cared about something once it affected him. At least he left his words to the ages in hopes others would learn from them instead.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 11 points 1 day ago

Pretty much, "Never again" means "never again to anyone, ever"

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Wondered why the attack on trans people was omitted from the poem.

A little lacking in self-awareness, that guy.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

The Nazis and Freikorps went for the commies first though. They were founded like all fascists as an explicitly anti-Marxist group.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 118 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Now? This isn't new information if you've been paying attention. It's been this way for quite a while. They don't care who gets caught in their sweeps. Illegals, legals, natural born citizens. Fucking guilty until proven innocent. The exact opposite of what our justice system is supposed to stand for.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Oh, and you don't get a chance to prove your innocence. It's purely just ICE points a finger at you and you go to a gulag. Or worse. Ask Alex Pretty or Renee Good or Ruben Ray Martinez. Your citizenship doesn't matter. Your skin color doesn't really matter.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you don’t get a chance to prove your innocenc

The law doesn't require you to prove your innocence. It's up to the prosecution to prove otherwise. Any system that operates otherwise does so in violation of the constitution.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

And?

The whole reason that habeus is the first requirement of the law is without a right to trial, what the law says doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if ICE has no right to jail you if nobody is stopping them.

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[–] IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 day ago

I'm glad I'm not the first one alarmed by the 'now' part. We're borderline, if not completely in Historic Pre-WW2 Nazi playbook, and have been for the past several years.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Maybe the idiots that voted Trump will think twice next time...

Nah who am I kidding?

[–] MerryJaneDoe@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The MAGA idiots that voted for Trump still support Trump. My neighbor is overjoyed that we are at war. I've never been so disgusted by a boomer's behavior.

My other idiot boomer friend is not MAGA, but he is Republican. And he will continue to vote Republican, even though he hates Trump.

They never learn. It's always "well, next time it'll be different". And, in that respect, they are exactly like Democrats.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yep, last I heard Trump still has above 30% support among Americans, including all the shit about ICE, tax cuts for the 1%, taking affordable healthcare away from people, undermining the economy with tariffs, breaking relations with former allies, failing to support Ukraine, and now entering a completely unnecessary illegal and war destabilizing the region and and even Europe to some degree, that benefit no-one but Israel and Putin.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean, what else could they even do? Vote for the DEMONcrats? They believe all kinds of wild things about the Democratic Party. They think the Democrats are going to defund the police, have boys get made into girls at school, flood the country with illegals that will rape your wife and daughters, and on and on...

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

flood the country with illegals that will rape your wife and daughters

That would take jobs away from good American presidents and his friends.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean, what else could they even do? Vote for the DEMONcrats?

Yes ABSOLUTELY!! And then join the party, and participate actively in politics to move Democrats to improve (reform) democracy in USA.
That's what they should have done at least since the 80's, where it became clear there was a problem.
Instead Americans have abandoned both politics and unions, and are now completely without power, that has been yielded to the 1% instead!

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[–] Chivera@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Think twice? They didn't even think once.

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They won't need to vote anymore.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Doesn't make much difference anyway. When they elect someone like Trump twice, Americans have shown very clearly they don't deserve to have democracy as a people.

It's sad for the ones that are more moderate and responsible, but they are a minority, and we can't judge a country by a minority.

[–] pucker4676@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The political compass normalizes most right wingers as being moderate. Liberalism has created this situation. You cannot legislate your way to ethical capitalism.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You cannot legislate your way to ethical capitalism.

I disagree, that's exactly what we've done in Scandinavia.

[–] northface@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You make it sound like creative tax planning, union busting, gig economy and other forms of exploitation of workers don't exist in Scandinavia... And I'm just naming a few of the many problems with "ethical capitalism", as you call it.

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[–] pucker4676@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Better than some countries, but still participating in capitalism, which cannot exist without exploitation.

You're a member of NATO, yeah?

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[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

They thought three times and made the same decision.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I love how scrolling has no visible effect for quite some time. I thought it was broken. These things are cute, but have no place in journalism.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, that was unpleasant.

[–] _wizard@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you're surprised, you haven't been paying attention

[–] ExFed@programming.dev 12 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately a lot of people haven't been paying attention.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

Protesters, observers and passersby taken into custody by federal agents were declared terrorists and attackers in hundreds of social-media posts by U.S. officials and departments since the start of the immigration sweeps in cities. This includes Minneapolis, where two citizens were excoriated by officials after they were killed by federal agents in January.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So then it's not an "immigration crackdown"

[–] quotequack@lemmy.quotequack.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Wall Street Journa?!? Trump managed to lose the Wall Street Journal?

[–] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Not really. Their editorial board and page are 100% on board with him.

However, the WSJ still does actual reporting, and it's usually fairly good/accurate. Just don't read the editorials, ever.

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