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I just wanted to highlight this rather simple comment and suggestion from @@TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net. This youtube series is a great watch.

Avatar: The Last Airbender might have some rather lib'd up parts, but there was so much more interesting philosophy in that show. Specifically surrounding the idea of rehabilitation regarding Zuko. It handles the nature of empire far better as well when dealing with the Fire Nation.

There are so many things about Korra that could have been interesting things to explore. It's mentioned in the video series, but the thing that has always stood out to me is the cheapening of bending as a form of both labor and cultural and personal expression.

In ATLA, there are many feats of bending that are held in extremely high regard, especially in terms of the skill required to perform them. Metal Bending is the result of Toffs extremely developed earth bending skills. Lightning Bending is a skill reserved for only elite fire benders, and the power to redirect lightning is held by only two characters in the whole series. Aang learns the power of the Avatar State through much struggle, and also learns the ability of energy bending from an ancent mythical creature.

There is this real sense of connection between Bending and Nature expressed on ATLA. The idea that some of the original benders were natural creatures, like Dragons, or Badger Moles or Lion Turtle drives home this idea that in order to bend an element, you must be in tune with that element, understand it in both a physical and spiritual capacity.

But in Korra all of that uniqueness is wiped away. Now, tossing lightning is the work of Power Grid laborers. Something your average fire bender can perform for a wage at the electrical company. Pro Bending is a kind of distillation of the bending art form into extremely narrow base components and movements that restricts the kind of creativity and expressiveness found in ATLA, and all performed in a hyper-competitive environment for the chance at becoming rich and famous. Blood Bending, once something only capable of being performed under a full moon, is something that can be trained to perform under any conditions. It's become a powerful bending tool that can even take away someone's bending. The implications of which are beyond the scope of what I'm writing here, but just another example of the cheapening of ATLAs feats. Even Aang is thrown into the mix, being shown to use his energy bending ability to punish low level criminals (by comparison).

In the case of lighting bending and pro bending, these are expressions of a kind of alienation we all understand to be a core attribute of Capitalism. This is an interesting idea that the show never explores. What does it mean to be an Earth Bender, in a world where the cultural norms associated with earth bending and the earth kingdom have been destroyed, or warped, by these new social relations? What kind of techniques and skills could have been lost under seeking this new, more efficient form of bending? And what does it mean to be a "master of all 4 elements" in world where increasingly, bending is being whittled down to only its most useful forms in support of this new industrial world?

One could imagine an avatar series that draws on similar themes to that of Princess Mononoki or Castle In The Sky. One that tries to find the "balance" between industrialization and our existence within nature (aka the connection to the elements). Instead, what we get is a show that undermines the achievements of its predecessor, while having almost nothing of value to say at all.

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[–] huf@hexbear.net 55 points 4 days ago (2 children)

some of the characters become cops. cops! harry potter ass storyline.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Making Toph the übercop should be counted as a deadly sin

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What is it about making your most anti-authoritarian characters into cops? They did the same shit to DW when Arthur ended.

Justice for anarchist little girls everywhere 😔

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[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

By the end of season 4, the cops are like a make-work program for the Korragang

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

Airbenders as the world police should get the writers executed.

[–] WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social 12 points 4 days ago

Damn, just like small town America today. I'm sold that Korra really is neoliberal propaganda

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 39 points 4 days ago

Legend of Korra is part of a cycle of bad media that one couldn't critique without being called a chud because it had gay people in it. I don't know if that was a psy-op or what, but it was fantastic agitation material for anti-sjw dipshits.

As much as users like to trash "dirtbag left" that whole concept did something much needed for the movement in the west - It allowed us to say The Last Jedi sucked.

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 35 points 4 days ago

the power to redirect lightning is held by only two characters in the whole series.

nerd Three. Iroh, who invented the technique, Zuko who learned from him, and Aang who learned from him.

[–] DasRav@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago (4 children)

they made this sequel without any idea where they wanted to go with it. All they seemingly did know is that they didn't want to tread the same ground again, so they changed a lot about the setting and made sure that the new avatar would not have the same problems and personality as the previous protagonist. Hence why there is an industrial revolution of staggering speed, with benders suddenly applying their bending in super mundane ways and why Korra has mastered 3 out of 4 elements at the start super easily.

But then they clearly had no idea where to go with the story and started to spin their wheels retread the old ground anyway. Korra can't air bend. Let's make pro bending a thing. And then let's do the most obvious thing ever: the non-benders have better technology now so they will rise up against the benders! They will finally be equal! By turning bending off for everyone!

Nevermind that we have no indication that tells us benders are overwhelmingly better off then non-benders. Do the guys who shoot lightning as their day job make huge bank? We don't know, because the show didn't care. Tunring everyone's bending off would result in nothing short of a collapse of society because they don't have the means to run the tech they made without it, in fact!

None of it is thought out and all of it falls flat. And that is just season 1. The later seasons are even worse for their world building.

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[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Glad you added the second to last paragraph, it's exactly how I see the series failing. It ends up being capitalist propaganda "industrialization, specialization, and capitalist relations have made everything much easier" without the "at the expense of so much that can be won back in new relations"

ATLA is about a feudal society and follows aristocrats, but at least it explores the natural world. And the world changes through the process. Korra just continuously says "we are not changing anything, because all change is bad now"

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (17 children)

ATLA is about a feudal society and follows aristocrats, but at least it explores the natural world.

It's been a long time since I watched AtLA but from what I recall it also didn't do apologia for aristocracy. Like, part of how we perceive Zuko's reform as serious and sincere is that we see him living more or less happily without his aristocratic privileges at a few points. Aristocracy is perhaps not depicted as inherently evil, but it's often corrupting, cloying, and limiting in AtLA. The earth queen is a tyrant, Ozai is literally Hitler (I first watched it as an adult and was shocked at the extent to which he really is just... Hitler. Pretty brave for a kids show!) Bumi is corrupted by power, Zuko is arrogant, Toph is constrained and restricted. Iroh, a man we know to be capable of great kindness and wisdom at the time of the show, is made callous and cruel by his position within empire. It's kind of the opposite of the way LoK depicted liberalism I think.

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The earth queen is a tyrant

That's Legend of Korra. In ATLA the Earth Kingdom is ruled by the spooky scary communist secret police known as the Dai Li, with the Earth King as a useless powerless figurehead.

Bumi is corrupted by power

Bumi is just kooky, he's unambiguously presented as a hero and a good leader in the show, no matter how nightmarish a ruler he would realistically be if we take what we see at face value.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

Yeah the whole "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" and how its enforced through Dai Li brainwashing, turning people into Manchurian sleeper agents to be activated at a whim is extremely lib. Every so often they can't help but inject some liberal anticommunist trope in the show. It's not as explicit here like it is in Korra, but you only ever see these ideas attributed to the left (mostly).

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[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago (22 children)

From what I recall, it also has two seasons whose main villain was a ridiculous libbed up stereotype of some kind of left winger - Amon, the leader of the equalists (ugh) is the stupidest version of the "communists think everyone should be the same!!!" propaganda that I've ever seen, and Zaheer is an anarchist and his depiction is maybe a bit less silly but still not good.

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Amom was only the first season. Second season was his religious traditionalist brother. The pattern goes:

  • Season 1 Communist villain.
  • Season 2 Theocratic villain.
  • Season 3 Anarchist villain.
  • Season 4 Fascist villain.

All are the perceived enemies of liberalism and all are aggregious misrepresentations of the ideologies they're meant to represent. The communist gets the most distortion to the point that he's basically a Tsarist's idea of a communist; he hates people for their noble blood and is in active collaboration with the industrial bourgeoisie. And the fascist gets by far the most sympathetic treatment.

And then there's fucking Varrick, who I personally find to be the most heinous crime of the show. He's peak liberal bourgeoisie ideal. Its impressive how well they nailed it. But then he's a good guy because he such a cute little scoundrel despite having made a nuke for the fascist. He should've been the main villain.

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Was Varrick the arsehole who got a cute wedding scene at the end where he married a woman who iirc was literally his employee and direct subordinate? Typical bougie behaviour...

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago

Yup. And its also extremely forced narratively. Basically every relationship in Korra is forced an inorganic.

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Whose name is literally 'assistant' 助理 (zhuli) until they retconned it to 朱莉

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[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago

Imagine writing Harrison Bergeron unironically

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 34 points 4 days ago (3 children)

hopeully the next avatar series will be less lib, but then again its looking to be a post-apocalyptic setting so it will probably will be be libby.

also the kay&skittles doesnt mention the comics from what i remember and those are very lib too, specially the fascist kuvira redeption arc

all change is bad and all ideologies are bad (except the non-ideology of Fordian progress), but maybe Kulvira had some good ideas...

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago

Pretty telling that the libbed up creators chose to redeem fascist Kuvira rather than either of the left wing villains from the show... "She couldn't help it, she had been scratched"

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[–] 11092001@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The White Lotus had made the Avatar into an reactionary agent. We got the villains POV. Simple as. Lol

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago

Back when it was just the first season (it was just going to be a mini-series), teenager me was hyped up because I saw Amon and the equalists as a stand-in for “SJWs” and I thought “finally, someone is recognizing that they’re the bad guys now!”

That should tell you all you need to know about Korra.

[–] gil2455526@lemmy.eco.br 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, what mainstream entertainment isn't neolib propaganda these days...

[–] huf@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago

the openly fascist ones maybe?

[–] Bloobish@hexbear.net 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, sadly it feels that to capture the 1920s noire pulp feel initially (and then also steampunk added in) they tossed aside the spiritual side of bending with it being subsumed into the labor force of Republic City and it's new capitalist interests but none of the commentary of what being in that labor force was actually like (tldr it was shit being a factory worker in 1900s America). With better writers this could have been a critique of industrialization displacing workers and destroying nature (or even corrupting the spirits themselves) as well as the creation of artificial hierarchies with benders being used for specific labor whilst former skilled artisanal labor is marginalized under mass production (might be a bit Luddite in theme though). The first Avatar had some great moments regarding war, not the conflict but instead the damages it inflicts on people both physically and mentally. Katara not having much of her cultural knowledge due to being the only waterbender of her tribe with an entire generation wiped out including their history and traditions; and then there's Aaang being the last survivor of a complete genocide. I'm honestly interested in the third show but don't have much in the way of hope regarding anything beyond common liby storylines.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

they tossed aside the spiritual side of bending with it being subsumed into the labor force of Republic City and it's new capitalist interests.

Such an incredible premise and they did nothing with it. Could have made some sort of "what if the luddites could do magic?" with it.

Not to mention them not really doing anything with the emergence of the modern concept of nations. A whole 30 years war had to be fought over that, in LoK it's more or less treated as just a naturally occurring next step of development.

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[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

Korra's liberalism is more obvious, but imo this is bc it actually carries through the material consequences of ATLA's ending into peacetime i.e. the fire nation does imperialism, pollution, etc, but its treated as hecking wholesome bc the good guys are in charge. But for all that, I appreciate the realism of Korra. It is a true believer in liberalism making a show about liberalism, and it actually depicts liberalism/capitalisms development in a world with fantastical elements really, really accurately.

Like we must remember that AtLA ends with Zuko's fire nation promising to share their innovations "but we'll be nice this time" (you know who else said he'd be nice about it? Sozin!!). It ends with every single fire nation bureaucrat, aristocrat, general, businessmen etc still in power. Theres no mention of a purge or restructuring of society. The monarchy continues, the businesses continue to export capital and exploit cheap labour and pollute the world. We dont see this until the comics and korra, but the seeds are already present in atla.

Zuko and Iroh's redemption arcs are also very personal, based on family dynamics with little/no focus on how they make ammends to the people they wrong. Earth Nation victims of the fire nation are used merely to develop the internal feelings of the colonisers. Mass movements against imperialism are basically non-existent in the show, its all groups of elites fighting either other elites or faceless goons. The entire ideology of the show is left-liberalism.

All that is to say, imo theres much more ideological and artistic continuity between korra and atla than most people admit. Part of this imo is we agree more with liberals on the subjects of atla (liberals and communists both generally agree that invading countries is bad), but when it comes to the subjects of Korra (what should happen after the invader is defeated, how should the economy and politics develop) we have much harsher disagreement with liberals.

Overall I generally agree with most of your cricisisms of the society korra depicts; but imo the fact that the show depicts the alienation, the homogenisation, the commodification, etc, isnt the issue so much as the fact that all of it is framed uncritically as just the "natural progression of society".

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

Metal bending was brand new, never done before Toph and it's fine that she was able to teach it to others. The fundamentals are all earth bending.

Lighting bending was hoarded knowledge exclusive to the Fire Lord's dynasty. It was shared to the masses to enable electrification.

But you're right about the themes being liberal propaganda.

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

~~Kay and Skittles has a good analysis of korra iirc~~

Guess who didn't read the oop

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I really liked that video series. I remember watching it forever ago and it really put into words what I didn't like about Korra. I could feel something was off, but I couldn't describe it.

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[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

When I am General Secretary, I will criminalize using Henry Rollins in the disgraceful fashion that was perpetrated by the bourgeois stenographer pig-dog "writers" of LoK.

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Gotta be the cia set up the equalists plot

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I wasn't fully radicalised when I watched it but I was a Chapo listener and the equalists plot drove me insane. In hindsight I dunno how I finished it. Cool action sequences and loving avatar I guess.

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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Why i’m still a fan of one piece. It has its flaws but the revolutionary spirit is still there. Too bad it got co-opted by the CIA and libs

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