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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I went ahead and bought some new internet hardware. It sucks to spend money before my gear has died of natural causes, but this might be the last real opportunity to upgrade before backdoors become the norm. If they aren't already.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago

Of course they're banning foreign routers. They want all Americans to have only routers with government backdoors. At this point, backdoor-free routers are a threat to 'national security'.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is why open source and open hardware is so important.

[–] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And open firmware, especially for routers.

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 hours ago

This does essentially mean no Wi-Fi or mobile radios as they're pretty much all binary blobs.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

still doesn't stop for supply chain attacks, but still a better alternative to whatever shit they're going to ramrod into "US made" tech.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago

Every accusation of them is an admission of guilt.

So stop buying any US made hardware.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 68 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This tells me any equipment that is classified as acceptable by these requirements is immediately suspect, and should not be permitted to connect to, or communicate with, equipment you need to trust.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m well versed in the CALEA capabilities of DOCSIS equipment, hence my comment.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How do you have internet without a DOCSIS modem? Is this a problem of where I live that the only option requires it? Or do you just have a strong firewall between it and the rest of your network (assumably on the router)?

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 3 points 21 hours ago

The CALEA functions aren’t in the modem, they’re in the CMTS, the router the modems talk to/through at the head end. I’d expect similar demarcation with other access technologies, but they’re not my area.

I see this new requirement as an attempt, at least partially, to bring CPE (Customer Premises Equipment) into CALEA scope.

My take is they’ve made the network a more hostile environment, and elevated the need and justification to build a more resilient overlay layer of encrypted and obfuscated channels.

HTTPS, QUIC, DoT/DoH and such have been piecemeal attempts which make sense over a neutral network. An actively hostile environment needs to be treated as a dumb pipe, preferably one of many diverse paths.

[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 219 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It's the US. Anyone surprised?

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 97 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Well no, they tend to copy a lot from China these days.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 21 points 1 day ago

Or don't even try too. Wish they tried to copy infrastructure improvements or high speed rail. All we get is more money to corporations to do absolutely nothing

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i have my frustration with the Chinese state appartus, but the one thing you can't say about them is that they're incompetent.

we can get into talks about whether or not the incompetence the modern american governance mechanisms are illusory in service of kleptocracy or not, but ultimately, the American state apparatus is following the same pattern of dynastic rise and fall you see across the nothern hemisphere for the last 16000 years.

i just hope that for FUCKING once a group will rehash the salt and iron debates and pick salt, like GODDAMMIT why always with the imperialism!?!?

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[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I’m starting to believe a lot of the bad we hear about China is at best overblown and at worst completely fucking made up.

Remember all the articles predicting their doom because they built “ghost cities” and “trains to nowhere” and now they’re all actual cities with employed populations and there is high speed rail everywhere?

Yeah since 9/11 we’ve only had liars in charge seeing how much they can milk all of us, and apparently America really does have great ties because they’re still honkin and we’re still letting em.

Anyway since we can’t tell what’s true and what’s a lie thanks to the “state dept” propaganda I’m just gonna go ahead and say that the most advanced country on earth is probably way ahead of the USA.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

It‘s a dictatorship without basic human rights. If you really think ICE is bad then imagine ICE 10 times bigger and several decades older and more refined. That‘s the Chinese state for you. The US is on it‘s way there. That‘s why we criticize them.

I also don‘t see a single aspect where China is ahead of literally everyone else. They have quantity and more and more often people seem to think that means innovation. Like „Sure, university X has the most advanced robots but China is producing 20 different models on a larger scale that are almost as good!“. But they‘re not better, though. China has quality too, yes. But nothing no one else has. Really, I cannot think of a single technology where some institute on the globe isn‘t at least on par with what China is doing. Being the world factory they are often the first to have things largely available to the global market but they‘re never the first to do something.

There is a reason everyone is afraid of industrial espionage from China. It’s because they don‘t really innovate but they will mass produce your innovation before you know it.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are also ghost cities that basically got demolished, like dozens of skyscrapers one after the other.

Two counties can be bad at the same time, not everything has to be nalck and white. China can suck also when the US sucks. China can even suck despite doing a lot of cool things.

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

They don't copy the part where they execute billionaires, unfortunately https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-07-23/china-executes-14-billionaires-in-8-years-culture-news-reports

Although, if you're an influential billionaire you don't get executed but get disappeared for some time, like jack ma, giving the general feeling that they want to control billionaires and not just get rid of them

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well, duh, they know how easy is to backdoor those things!

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

... Because they literally put the back doors there for themselves.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 72 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There are routers made in US?

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 103 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No. Which is the point. Everything has to be approved manually with no specific criteria so they can arbitrarily make the decisions they want.

[–] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 53 points 2 days ago (3 children)

And in the trump economy, that includes paying a hefty bribe for approval

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[–] ClipperDefiance@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago

According to the BBC, the one exception is the newer Starlink Wi-Fi router, which the company says is manufactured in Texas.

This is exasperating.

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Wait we did what? Cisco, the Food Distribution Company?

[–] HopeCraft@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sysco is food, Cisco, as in San Fran_cisco_, is the tech company.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

San Francisco really let us down from there days of the hippies.

Now being the harbingers of Destruction and what do you call it, slavery.

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

No, it's that guy from Deep Space Nine.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

No, it's that thong th-thong thong thong guy.

[–] Kaerkob@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

No, the FCC no longer allows the import of music by Sisqó.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

What? No, Cisco Systems, the company that makes routers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco

[–] Shirasho@lemmings.world 56 points 2 days ago (6 children)

What happened to small government?

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I live in probably one of the reddest states, and it's always been hypocrisy. Republicans are lying out of their lower lie holes every fucking time they open their mouths.

Every single Republican politician and voter is a purely evil person.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Politician, sure. But people are easily duped, especially when they're uneducated. That doesn't make them evil, especially when there's a multi-billion dollar disinformation network constantly trying to mislead them.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At what point does ignorance cross into willful ignorance? And at what point does willful ignorance become malicious? It’s a blurry line, to be sure.

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[–] BigTurkeyLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So like what router should I be using that isn't going to be spying on me? Been feeling it's time for an upgrade my current ASUS router was a higher end model when I bought it but it is like 8 or 9 years old now

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] BigTurkeyLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Sorry this article kinda lit a fire under my ass to get a new router, so I've been researching. Was looking into this and it feels like openWRT might be the way for me personally, the simpler and cheaper, while doing all the stuff I need it to do is more appealing to me.

Also thinking about going with a router that has the longe range 802.11ah HaLow 915mhz, I've got a big house and the wifi is bad in one area. I've also been dabbling in the sub ghz meshtastic and meshcore devices and I'm thinking it could be a fun thing to experiment with.

Few videos for reference Sub gHz 802.11ah Halow Wifi https://youtu.be/-soMNhNqEVc

Video that touches on why I think openWRT might be a better fit for me than pfsense or open-ended

https://youtu.be/XGefV0Rf9QQ

Let me know yall's thoughts.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago

The key to good WiFi is to turn the lower down and put a lot of APs.

Don't go with long range. Bury that idea.

[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I turned off wifi on my router and instead use multiple wifi access points connected to the router by ethernet. It's way easier to get good coverage and speeds that way.

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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

There is an exemption for products that the Department of Defense or the Department of Homeland Security have granted "Conditional Approval" after finding these devices do not pose such unacceptable risks. Router makers can apply to the FCC to get on the approved list.

Wow, what an insane coincidence it's exactly those two departments and no one else. Golly, I wonder why. (Edit: To clarify, if you're going to do this stupid, posturing bullshit, I "get" the DoD because of the NSA, and DHS has CISA. Just really no one else? Seems like consolidating more control.)

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